11 minutes ago, birdguy said:

For 74 years we have been seeing, reporting, chasing, and taking rather fuzzy pictures of unidentified flying objects of all sizes and shapes.  Yet we the people know no more than we knew 74 years ago when the Roswell incident lit the fuse.

 

 

Well they've been seen throughout history of course. Ive posted a link to this before, but the similarities between what the Romans saw and what we see today is striking. Flying saucers and strange figures in white overalls. 

 

"The parallels to modern UFO sightings are eerie. For example, in 217 BC, numerous witnesses in Rome watched a group of “shiny round shields of polished bronze” moving across the sky. At the same time in the countryside east of Rome many people reported seeing mysterious “forms of men completely dressed in shining white.” Three years later, people in northern Italy saw something like a large white marble “altar in the sky” accompanied by human shapes clothed in brilliant white."

 

https://www.wondersandmarvels.com/2012/06/ancient-flying-saucers.html

 

Some might say, "but why hasn't their technology changed over that time". Well it could be that they have found the optimum design and there isn't anything better. Or it could be that from their time frame they have only just discovered us, maybe ten years for them, or less, but because they travel at relativistic velocities time dilation results in a lengthy passage of time for us. A species like that would need to be nomadic of course. 

 

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For me to become a believer, as opposed to a wonderer, I am going to have see real physical evidence displayed and explained by a reputable source.

 

Yep. I'm having that exact same discussion elsewhere. And its a nightmare trying to convince some of these nut jobs how important proper evidence is. 😁 Ive heard average IQ is diminishing. I think they are right.

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

Well they've been seen throughout history of course. Ive posted a link to this before, but the similarities between what the Romans saw and what we see today is striking. Flying saucers and strange figures in white overalls.

So for 2,000 years they have:

a) Been assimilating themselves into our societies.

b) Are passing through on they way to somewhere else.

c) Have been observing us but haven't made up their minds about us yet.

d) None of the above.

e) Or perhaps all of the above except d).

They have been coming back to us for over 2,000 years.  Given the theory of relativity aging for them might not be a problem, but then again it might over that length of time.  It could be time and relativity are not the same throughout the universe.

https://www.p3mountains.org/post/2019/03/20/living-in-a-petri-dish-called-earth

Noel

  

 

 

Edited June 12, 20214 yr by birdguy

Professor Nolan's further explanation of metamaterials, as referenced in The Phenomenon is:

 These are not your grandma’s alloys. If these materials truly exist– they are going to be found to be metamaterials. Though I call them metamaterials– it’s really for lack of a better term. They are probably even more engineered and subtle than that. The science of metamaterials is only a few decades old, but there is a whole ecosystem of new journals growing up around their unexpected and wondrous properties. One way to think about metamaterials is that is, basically, quantum engineering—working with “normal” matter in a way that takes advantage of properties we don’t fully appreciate yet. We draw the physical universe with only 80 elements. I would guess—just hypothesis– that “they” (an advanced civilization) that we might infer can accomplish some of the feats observed by the pilots understand the subtleties of isotopes and design with all 253 stable isotopes. The metamaterials “they” could design would be more subtle and likely encompass a greater understanding of reality and physics than we know now.

Remember, isotopes of a given element have the same electronic configuration, so they form covalent bonds similar to their sister isotopes (though with subtle differences in bond strengths). However, their nuclei have different spins for instance with, at times, unpaired neutrons. The various nuclear configurations gives rise to multiple fascinating opportunities in designing metamaterials. Want to know what your children should be studying in school? Physics, metallurgy, and advanced composite materials.

People interested in understanding the reality of what’s going on with these metamaterials (so-called alloys) need to understand this: There are 253 isotopes that do not undergo radioactive decay in any reasonable time frame.  Some elements, such aluminum, have only 1 stable isotope. Titanium and nickel each have 5 stable isotopes. Tin (Sn) has eight! There are natural ratios of these isotopes that are largely governed by stellar decay processes, centrifugal forces (solar and other) during planetary formation, and proximity to gamma and other radiation sources. The ratios vary only slightly (maximum a couple percent) across a solar system. Significant variations in isotope ratios imply either engineering of the ratios for a purpose, or that the materials came from somewhere that does not “play by our rules”.

My suspicion is that a foundational difference is the nuclear spin of these isotopes (and other quantum features associated with different arrangements of the nuclear shells in the different isotopes) that affects how they behave/contribute in these composites or metamaterial structures.

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They have been coming back to us for over 2,000 years.  Given the theory of relativity aging for them might not be a problem, but then again it might over that length of time.  

 

2,000 years might not be an issue, dependant on how far and fast they have travelled. Might just be a few years to them but 2,000 to us. It would mean they would be  a nomadic species though, because the same 2,000 years would have past on their original home world, so they wouldn't be able to return home. 

I always think aliens or something just isn't quite right when I read about Lewis and Clark being chosen and sent West by President Jefferson.

Pretty interesting video highlighting the contradictory information coming from the Pentagon. Including denying the extent of Elizondo's role. 

Despite a letter from Harry Reid confirming his role.

 

 

Teenagers!