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Future of MSFS? Commercial market or combat flight sim?

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11 hours ago, ca_metal said:

What about putting everything together, truck simulator, train simulator, bus simulator, ship simulator etc. I mean, would be awesome to see everything working on the same platform. But yeah, right now it’s just a dream.

Guaranteed this is where it's going, thru and including flying into to KMRY, hopping in your Tesla Roadster, and ripping down the road to Pebble Beach to play 18h with Paige Spirinac :laugh:


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35 minutes ago, Noel said:

Guaranteed this is where it's going, thru and including flying into to KMRY, hopping in your Tesla Roadster, and ripping down the road to Pebble Beach to play 18h with Paige Spirinac :laugh:

Are you describing MSFS or "The Crew 2"?!  😅😎


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12 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I'd like a revived Microsoft Train Simulator!

There is one. It's called Open Rails and it's free!

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2 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

That is because it was pretty awful with semi arcade flight models based on Hollywood myth rather than historical accuracy. 

Well, that is the way they seem to be going with this "Top-Gun expansion". MSFS is amazing for what it is, but I am pretty sure it will not replace DCS for proper combat simulation.

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1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

Well, that is the way they seem to be going with this "Top-Gun expansion". MSFS is amazing for what it is, but I am pretty sure it will not replace DCS for proper combat simulation.

If I read this all right, they will deliver nicely modeled carrier and Tomcat (with probably a questionable flight model) and a couple of ‘challenges’ like landing on the ship,  buzzing the tower (but will they model the sonic boom 😃?), flying inverted etc.. 

FSX had a F-18, P3D a F-35, MFS will have a F-14. Nothing to send shivers in DCS spine. The only thing really new, and that I find it quite interesting, is that MS sells MFS as a billboard to a third party.


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12 hours ago, anden145 said:

But the thought of having weapons and being able to shoot anything? Forget it. And how would that go? With realistically destroyable photogrammetry? Being able to shoot down other civilian AI traffic? Come on... I don't see that, to be brutally honest. 

As already mentioned - if you're SO longing for that, get DCS with their F/A-18 or F-16 along with it 🙂

Of course a combat simulator and MSFS would be two separate products and on two separate servers.  People could grief if they could fly a military jet and shoot down somebody that just wants to fly a civilian plane.

The destruction of photogrammetry can be done with Blackshark AI's help.

DCS World is expensive when they charge your $30 to $50 a pop for each separate scenery.  No thanks, I prefer it if Microsoft can come out with a combat flight simulator where I get the entire world scenery for free, like we do in MSFS right now.

 


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11 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

I personally liked MCFS back in a day. But right now it is hard to imagine they can use  photometry to replicate world as it was for example in WW2! 🙂

So they can make a modern combat flight simulator first.  It would use the same satellite & photogrammetry that MSFS uses since it's the modern era.


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10 hours ago, conundrum said:

Even DCS, with a limited map size, sometimes struggles even with today’s high end components. 
 

Here you’ve got the whole Earth to fly. Now you have to add ground and air combat AI, destructible buildings, aircraft, vehicles, etc. Good luck trying to play that.

 

What MS can feasibly do, is retain historically accurate weapons and mounts on the models. For whatever reason, that’s not allowed on the Marketplace, so why would anyone think they’d be interested in adding combat simulation?

Again, I'm not sure why people like you think a combat flight simulator has to be in the same world as MSFS or even an add-on for MSFS.  A combat flight simulator can be a totally separate product, played on a separate server than MSFS.

Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator was a separate product than FSX back in the day.  There is no reason the next combat flight simulator from Microsoft can't be a separate product on a separate server.  But of course, it can reuse the same base code as MSFS.

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Why not both? They have the power to concur both 'markets' so to speak and i for one would love a combat side to this Sim.

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6 hours ago, Todd2 said:

It would be cool if they could make the ground textures good enuff to make a first person shooter in the msfs world

Yes, if the resolution and detail for the satellite & photogrammetry can be increased to the level that it's usable for a first person shooter, there are a huge number of game companies that would love to use the technology Microsoft/Asobo & Blackshark AI have created for MSFS.  


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23 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

If I read this all right, they will deliver nicely modeled carrier and Tomcat (with probably a questionable flight model) and a couple of ‘challenges’ like landing on the ship,  buzzing the tower (but will they model the sonic boom 😃?), flying inverted etc.

Yes something fairly quick and easy is what I'd be expecting. From the video clip we saw it won't be a Tomcat though as they only showed the F-18 but maybe they'll surprise us. Even if they do give us both I can't imagine them being very detailed. The Tomcat in particular would be difficult as when you fly the DCS version it has quite a few quirks. But it's a free expansion so all good.

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40 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

MFS will have a F-14

On the video is an F-18E Super Hornet. As in the new movie the F-14 won't be around anymore, I can't imagine that the F-14 will be in MSFS.

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My cursory glance  at the clip was ..cursory 😅., cant deny it.


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3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Again, I'm not sure why people like you think a combat flight simulator has to be in the same world as MSFS or even an add-on for MSFS. …

That wasn’t what I said. There is a reason DCS has limited map sizes. There is also a reason why their planes and maps cost what they do.

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More planes for MSFS? Great! Free? Great! Will it replace DCS in my games eco-system? Not a chance!

I have not been on DCS much in the last few months because I have been on MSFS...but that is because I have been enjoying flying and not being shot out of the sky. Two different experiences. I will not invest in a MS combat simulator for the same reason I haven't bought the Christian Eagle in DCS, different sims have different strengths. Microsoft "Flight Simulator" and Digital "Combat" Simulator. That said, if you have a smaller budget (DCS, as all sims, is expensive) then "pew pew" in MSFS could be fun.

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