1 hour ago, Carts85 said:

 Did you know Ferrari only make around $6000 profit per car. 

I do not know where your figure comes from. The industry analysts evaluate the Ferrarri EBITDA per car as the highest in the car manufacturing sector at, at least, 80 000 USD. 

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9 minutes ago, AviatorMan said:

We have all paid $30 - $40 for  a plane, flown it a few times, put it in the hangar. Then turn around and do it again and are disappointed once more. I think that we should demand quality and be willing to pay for it. When one considers all of the money we have spent on flight simulation add-on products, we should be happy to pay significantly more to get an aircraft that we really enjoy and learn from because of its authenticity and quality. The other reason to happily pay more is to encourage other developers to produce similarly high quality aircraft knowing we are willing to pay for quality. 

the voice of sanity 😉

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

FYI, I think PMDG said in the past that they would price the 737 for MSFS at around $140 USD (I think Randazzo said it in the PMDG forums some time ago, you can search for it).  You can technically buy 2 copies of the standard version of MSFS ($60 for each copy) for the price of the future 737 for MSFS and still have $20 USD left over to buy a 3rd party airport scenery.  Having said that, PMDG is known for quality so a lot of simmers who want a high fidelity, "study level" airliner, are gonna pay that price for the 737.

the people who buy pdmg will fly it for hundreds, maybe thou of hours, so price is not an issue.

its the casuals that always complain about price.

1 hour ago, ca_metal said:

I’m confident they know what they are doing and will price it accordingly. All we can do is wait and see. 

Words of wisdom 

16 minutes ago, tweekz said:

Well, that's the classic price vs mass question that you sure know very well. 🙂

I guess - as MSFS attracts a lot of casuals and first time simmers - a lower price tag could be more beneficial in this case.

I've had a little bit of experience in that arena, yes.

😉

 

3 hours ago, Swe_Richard said:

Cool! Will be hard not to buy at once!

Yep, instant purchase!

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

It’s not the cost. It’s the value for money. Rather, whether or not customers are getting it. For a DC6, $74.95 (based on the X-Plane 10 version) is a bit rich. But that’s this guys opinion. 

What do you mean by “based on the x plane version”? 
 

Rob mentioned it was a from the ground up build. If you’re only saying that based on the fact that it was released on x plane…why not mention it as being based on the p3d version?

On another note, will the msfs version 737 be based on the fs9 737ng? 
 

im genuinely curious as to your viewpoint on this dc6 release.

Good to see "Price Wars" are just as much a drama in flight Sims as they are with racing Sims, although the latter demand more free stuff and are far more self-entitled!

One aspect about the pricing nobody has mentioned is something that makes sense when you look at it from a different perspective.  Support infrastructure.

My feeble brain seems to recall a post (maybe in the PMDG beta forums) where the pricing is above what would net them max sales simply because PMDG, among other things, actually cares about supporting their customers, and to price it at $40 (for example) just to make way more sales at $70 would mean such a large influx of new customers they would now have to support.  That would mean hiring more support staff, train them, PAY them, etc.

This is where you start to realize that out of almost all the payware devs out there, PMDG is run and managed as an actual business, not like the laughable BBS and CS who pretend to be a 1-2 man "business". 🙄   Rob actually thinks about more than just sales and making money above all other factors.

Pricing it higher than what most would consider a "fair" price artificially tends to mitigate this phenomenon of customer over-saturation in 2 ways...one is the price itself and the other is that folks who'll pay that "outrageous" price have usually thought it through if they were on the fence, and certainly would not be your normal impulse buyer who wants to hit Control+E just to fly it under the Golden Gate to impress his friends, then go back to playing GTA and never touch it again (but PMDG would still be obligated to support bozos like this). 🤣 

I wish I could find that commercial from years back that demonstrates this perfectly.  It was about a small group of young adults (20s maybe) who created a fantastic product and were super excited to get it out for sale on the web.  The final scene in the commercial is them standing around a monitor, looking at the sales page with a purchase counter in view....they wait for a few moments intently staring at the counter, trying to do a Jedi mind force to will it to 1, then a "1" pops in there....they all scream, jump for joy, shake hands and hug (way before Covid), then settle down and return to watching the screen.  A 2 appears a few moments later, again the celebrations, only for not as long...then the counter, in short order, displays 3, 5, 7, 11, 22, 41, 124, 214....and as they are cheering, they all collectively stop and look at each other in horror...and the commercial fades to the announcer saying something about the product they were selling which was obviously a temp staffing company because these "young adults" didn't even think about a huge success and how'd they support their new "business". 🙂

Anyway....just remember that PMDG is not in this for a cash grab like that other "companies" I mentioned...they actually have a business plan, a plan for future growth of their product lines, are licensed by Boeing, and actually care about the entire sales cycle, not just the part where they get money from us. 

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12 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

What do you mean by “based on the x plane version”? 
 

Rob mentioned it was a from the ground up build. If you’re only saying that based on the fact that it was released on x plane…why not mention it as being based on the p3d version?

On another note, will the msfs version 737 be based on the fs9 737ng? 
 

im genuinely curious as to your viewpoint on this dc6 release.

Because they made it for X-Plane first.  Then they moved it to P3D.  From the ground up?  Well, let's just say our views probably differ on that.

In fact it is based on a real world aircraft in Namibia, simulated for FSX, P3D and X Plane 11 so far.

Followed of course by 42 pages of uninformed speculation, so this topic has a long way to go to catch up.

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Why should PMDG's business model being explained.

I feel it's to much money for an add on aircraft if it's 60 or 70.

And that has nothing to do with quality, business model or how much morgage the owner has to pay on his house.

I don't think the 6 is overpriced. In contrary, why does it cost half of the 737 only? Because it's not glass? Or because it's vintage? That should it make even more expensive!

Karl

While I don't see any sense in discussing the "fairness" of prices... someone else said it correctly: If the JustFlight Piper Arrow costs 45$ - a really simple airplane (no offense, I have it myself) -, you can hardly ask 50$ for a complex 4-engine-airliner with like 800 gauges and 700 operable switches.
Sure they COULD do it, like Aerosoft did with the CRJ, but that would be a strictly economical decision and not one that reflects the quality of the plane. However, I don't imagine them asking 50$ for that and 6 months later 140$ for the 737 (that price is set). That would be some awkward pricing.

35 minutes ago, hansb57 said:

Why should PMDG's business model being explained.

I feel it's to much money for an add on aircraft if it's 60 or 70.

And that has nothing to do with quality, business model or how much morgage the owner has to pay on his house.

No other reason than to maybe introduce another point of view nobody has considered?

And how they price it has everything to do with their business model. 
From the customer point of view I agree, none of that matters to us....all that matters is how much we'll pay, right?  Not what we're actually getting for that price...which is why companies like CS and BBS are still around...their "business model" is to scout the going price for an add-on, price their product close to that as to not offend folks who are horrified at a plane that cost almost as much at the sim itself, and regardless of the quality of the actual product (not how they look on their commerce page), people flock to buy it.  Its only after they get it...with upside-down switches, no sounds, non-working avionics, etc..then they head to the support site to find out how "service after the sale" will go.  It's mostly hit or miss, as sometimes they do fix obvious things quickly (like upside down switches on release...how can you miss that?, or no sounds because you forget to factor in that not all customers install your product to the same path, or that they bought the Steam or MS version of MSFS2020?), but that kinda' sets the tone of what you just plopped $25-30 on, doesn't it?  I'm pretty confident you won't have any glaring issues like that on release day of any PMDG product.

If you feel $60 or $70 is too much money for an add on aircraft, then you most likely won't be a PMDG customer, unless of course they have calculated that a lower price will support their business model. Then if you get it, you can be relatively sure that you're getting one heckua' deal if you compare it to other similarly-priced aircraft....like a tiny GA plane directly ported from FSX with upside-down switches on initial release, or a big, empty shell of an airliner...you know..from the other guys. 😉

 

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