9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Regarding those with poor download speeds they first have to download a mammoth file and perhaps more than once. How is that even possible with 2Mb connections? In short, it's not a viable option.

I realise P3D and probably XP require downloading but those are far smaller and no have enforced updates.

If that is the market for XP and P3D they can kiss any hope for growth goodbye. But that is already happening anyway. I wonder how they will be able to update the core sim when the add-on developers will no longer update their products? How would that work with weather, AI traffic, aircraft add-ons, etc.? Users will basically be given a choice. Either stay on the current version to keep compatibility with their add-ons, or get the latest version but lose use of them. 

You see how this plays out, right Ray?  

13 hours ago, mwilk said:Their target market is the commercial customers.

Who, once seeing how much better the real world looks in MSFS will switch also. 
LM have been caught with their pants down.  Embarrassingly so. 

I switched to MSFS? Since when did PMDG NGXu, Majestic Dash 8 or FSL Airbus become available for MSFS?

1 minute ago, Adrian123 said:

I switched to MSFS? Since when did PMDG NGXu, Majestic Dash 8 or FSL Airbus become available for MSFS?

Give it time. PMDG said 737 this year, and maybe even the 777. Next year the 747. Majestic said they were working on it. Again, all good things come in time. 

After such a gloomy past couple of months around the world and in MSFS (no good quality payware aircraft) things are starting to look up with multiple devs working on "study level" aircraft specifically for MSFS 2020. As some have suggested that tools such as weather addon devs not being allowed access to the weather engine, for me personally thats a good thing as 1. I don't have to fork out 40+ euro for a weather addon, and 2. For me personally MSFS 2020's live weather is outstanding! 

I am 99% fully converted to MSFS 2020 now. I haven't used P3D for over two months now, it just feels dull and outdated. I will probably uninstall P3D from my system in the coming weeks. 

MSFS 2020 is what all of the flight sim community have wanted for 20+ years. MSFS 2020 is a giant step forward in the right direction and I won't be looking back at P3D or FSX whatsoever. 

58 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What percentage of users have that slow an internet connection? 

Sadly, I’m unable to conduct a survey but I can assure you in rural England it’s a common problem. It’s one of the targets for this Conservative government.

54 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Either stay on the current version to keep compatibility with their add-ons, or get the latest version but lose use of them. 

You see how this plays out, right Ray?  

There are a lot of people who are happy with what they have. I’ve tried to convince a friend to switch to P3D from FSX but he’s not interested. What he has works for him. Not everyone wants cutting edge simulators.

3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Sadly, I’m unable to conduct a survey but I can assure you in rural England it’s a common problem. It’s one of the targets for this Conservative government.

I can remember about 4 years ago when I finally moved from DSL which was about 3 MBs average on a good day when the wind was blowing right, to 50 MBs. The difference was amazing, sad for people that are stuck with yesterdays technology. Right now I have friends that are on fiber getting up to  1 Gig/sec. 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

I can remember about 4 years ago when I finally moved from DSL which was about 3 MBs average on a good day when the wind was blowing right, to 50 MBs. The difference was amazing, sad for people that are stuck with yesterdays technology. Right now I have friends that are on fiber getting up to  1 Gig/sec. 

I have around 50Mbps now and intend to go full fibre soon. Probably 150Mbps. But I live in a suburban area which makes a huge difference to availability.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

They are just following the money trail That's business. 

Well, if selling a P3D Addon for 75 Euro and then stop updating it for following the money trail is called business these days. Not for me in future.

1 hour ago, Doug47 said:

Who, once seeing how much better the real world looks in MSFS will switch also. 
LM have been caught with their pants down.  Embarrassingly so. 

Commercial customers as a rule aren't interested in scenery. They're interested in aircraft fidelity and interaction with the environment around the airplane. Every see the graphics of a Level-D simulator? 

3 hours ago, RobJC said:

   and it still looks 10x better than XP and P3D. 

What?!  

Turning online features off, including Photogrammetry in MSFS is far WORST than P3D v5.2. I did and I saw it.

1 minute ago, Hamilton_ said:

What?!  

Turning online features off, including Photogrammetry in MSFS is far WORST than P3D v5.2. I did and I saw it.

No paid scenery add-ons for P3D, right?

Just now, RobJC said:

No paid scenery add-ons for P3D, right?

Right!

Hopefully this means we will now see JF getting a spurt on, putting some of their collection of passenger tubes into MSFS. I'm just looking at the FS9/FSX stuff sat on a shelf from them now gathering dust, includes in no particular order DC10's, Tristars, MD81/82, not to mention the bits and pieces I bought via download when discs went out of fashion.