Milviz ATR

[Milviz 919]

Honestly, if v6 is anything like MSFS in it's graphic capabilities... we will code for that platform as well...

[flyinpilot212121 724]

2 hours ago, Milviz said:

Honestly, if v6 is anything like MSFS in it's graphic capabilities... we will code for that platform as well...

Thanks for the honesty and supporting the way forward..I agree the graphic offering in msfs is miles ahead. I will most definitely be purchasing your upcoming titles for msfs. 

[Juliett Alfa Romeo 517]

After all it's all about the graphics.

Screw functionality and realism. We want "Godrays" and cotton clouds.

[psolk 3,037]

17 minutes ago, Juliett Alfa said:

After all it's all about the graphics.

Screw functionality and realism. We want "Godrays" and cotton clouds.

No, it's all about the market...  And if the market wants a realistic world with "almost" all of the functionality of P3D today that only leaves MSFS.  The DC-6 and new Fenix 320 are debunking the no high fidelity add-ons argument.  Really once Damian and AS have an answer to the wxr which is a true let down still I can't really think of too much MSFS can't do from a functionality and realism perspective.  The Fenix 320 actually surpasses anything we have seen in terms of functionality and realism already in it's Alpha state according to the videos.  They have already achieved things FSL couldn't in 10 years with P3D so really in short time their is going to be no functionality/realism discussions because MSFS will have surpassed P3D unless V6 comes with a massive package of improvements.  If LM were to bring their graphics to 2021 standards combined with their current functionality and if the sales numbers validated it Milviz would re-consider P3D but not in it's current state or in the current state of the market or at the rate MSFS is maturing. It is the obvious direction the FS market is moving right now, fighting it is futile. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by psolk

[Shomron 251]

7 minutes ago, psolk said:

No, it's all about the market...  And if the market wants a realistic world with "almost" all of the functionality of P3D today that only leaves MSFS.  The DC-6 and new Fenix 320 are debunking the no high fidelity add-ons argument.  Really once Damian and AS have an answer to the wxr which is a true let down still I can't really think of too much MSFS can't do from a functionality and realism perspective.  The Fenix 320 actually surpasses anything we have seen in terms of functionality and realism already in it's Alpha state according to the videos.  They have already achieved things FSL couldn't in 10 years with P3D so really in short time their is going to be no functionality/realism discussions because MSFS will have surpassed P3D unless V6 comes with a massive package of improvements.  If LM were to bring their graphics to 2021 standards combined with their current functionality and if the sales numbers validated it Milviz would re-consider P3D but not in it's current state or in the current state of the market or at the rate MSFS is maturing. It is the obvious direction the FS market is moving right now, fighting it is futile. 

Out of curiosity what is Fenix planned to provide FSL haven't?

[psolk 3,037]

30 minutes ago, Shomron said:

Out of curiosity what is Fenix planned to provide FSL haven't?

You can see this thread or this link: I don't want to turn this into an FSL V Fenix, only one company has delivered something to date so there is no comparison yet... 

 

 

But 

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Suffice to say, however, every single autoflight mode is modelled, and complete. You can fly the absolute most complex RNAV/RNP procedures, or if the mood strikes, use the MCDU and FMGS to aid you in flying non-precision (or even visual) approaches. We’ve built this specifically so you can go out and do everything the real A320 does, without worrying about whether or not a specific function is modelled. It’s covered.

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RNP with radius-fix leg types

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The FLS guidance mode is a non-precision approach aid which computes a virtual glideslope and localiser, thereby constructing a “pseudo-beam” by combining Flight Path Angle, approach course, and a selected “anchor point”. From the images provided, you may notice some rather distinctive symbology, unique to this new autoflight mode. The FLS mimics the ILS concept, however, this guidance mode relies only on the onboard navigation sensors, and does not require any additional ground aids. Being able to generate a virtual glideslope and localiser is definitely a fascinating twist on shooting a classic visual approach.

 

[Shomron 251]

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

You can see this thread or this link: I don't want to turn this into an FSL V Fenix, only one company has delivered something to date so there is no comparison yet... 

 

 

But 

 

Thanks

[Boeingnut 72]

On 7/17/2021 at 11:34 AM, djbully said:

I have the Totter working in v5. Just make sure the latest xml tools is installed and you should be good to go. I have not noticed any issues with it. 

Which is the latest version? I have only found xml tools 64 for p3d v4

[djbully 210]

10 minutes ago, Boeingnut said:

Which is the latest version? I have only found xml tools 64 for p3d v4

If you have their Beaver and access to it's support forum, then it's on this page:

http://milviz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=12598

 

[TurboKen 221]

On 7/16/2021 at 6:05 PM, Milviz said:

There’s no C-5 on our plate.  

Yeah kinda thought the comment I read was odd given its age, I would think IF you were to do a heavy it would be the C-17.

[TurboKen 221]

On 7/17/2021 at 10:20 AM, Milviz said:

Some of our less complex products are now being tested and fixed for P3D v5.  We will likely not be charging for these updates as that's all they are; updates.  They will not necessarily have any new features, the WX implementation may (or may not) work and there may be some minor issues.  No bug fixing will be taking place, so if you're expecting more than the absolute minimum required to get these to work in the sim, you will be disappointed.  Some of the older products will not be updated at all due to us having to spend an inordinate amount of time basically redoing the systems.  One of these would be the F-86F Sabre.

It needs to be made 100% clear:  We will no longer be updating any products should they be "broken" by a new update/upgrade by LM. 

We are not going to be providing support for those products once they are released.   It's the end of the line for us in the consumer space on this sim.  Unless, hopefully, LM gets their act together and releases something "equivalent" to MSFS.  If that happens, then we will see what's what.

For now, we are deffo moving towards MSFS in a big way...

If you bought P3D products directly from us using our store, you will be given a rebate for when that same/similar product gets released for MSFS.  It is our intention to do all of them, at some point for the new sim.

Whilst I understand that this will upset some of you... there's really no choice in this.  Adapt or die.

We appreciate the honesty and look forward to the releases.

[RXP 2,337]

On 7/18/2021 at 6:54 AM, psolk said:

They have already achieved things FSL couldn't in 10 years with P3D so really in short time their is going to be no functionality/realism discussions because MSFS will have surpassed P3D unless V6 comes with a massive package of improvements.  

From my experience, I'm not sure FS2020 has anything to do with their high level simulation of the A320 systems at all.

I have no doubt some vendors will find they can make better flight models on FS2020, some others will find they can make flight models better on P3D5 instead, and FS2020 rendering engine and 3D model handling is offering innovative visuals and interactive improvements. What I mean with the above is what does FS2020 has to offer which makes this A320 product possible only on FS2020 and not on P3D5 from an aircraft systems and displays simulation perspective?

edit: oops, sorry for derailing the topic from the ATR (no need to answer, it is more a rhetorical question in fact)

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by RXP

[Amon1973 1,421]

On 7/18/2021 at 11:37 AM, Juliett Alfa said:

After all it's all about the graphics.

Screw functionality and realism. We want "Godrays" and cotton clouds.

Functionality and realism will come in time in MSFS, and quicker than most people think, it's maturing rather quickly.

[psolk 3,037]

10 hours ago, RXP said:

From my experience, I'm not sure FS2020 has anything to do with their high level simulation of the A320 systems at all.

I have no doubt some vendors will find they can make better flight models on FS2020, some others will find they can make flight models better on P3D5 instead, and FS2020 rendering engine and 3D model handling is offering innovative visuals and interactive improvements. What I mean with the above is what does FS2020 has to offer which makes this A320 product possible only on FS2020 and not on P3D5 from an aircraft systems and displays simulation perspective?

edit: oops, sorry for derailing the topic from the ATR (no need to answer, it is more a rhetorical question in fact)

 

Nope, you are spot on...  Nothing in MSFS20 that I know of makes their A320 special it is just that they are doing it for MSFS not P3D which means "potentially" the highest fidelity add-on we've seen to date (potentially, they still have to deliver) in the most high fidelity Sim we have available. .  They do seem to be doing things other dev's haven't and one thing you can absolutely do better in MSFS is the legs rendering in the PFD.  The screenshots in their preview are unlike anything I've seen in FS.  

I guess the real question would be if the same add-on dropped for P3D and MSFS simultaneously which one would people buy?  Yep, you could deliver the same thing from a functionality perspective (which negates the functionality and realism argument) but would anyone buy it in P3D if it released in MSFS the same day?  

Edited July 20, 2021 by psolk

[d.tsakiris 417]

2 hours ago, psolk said:

I guess the real question would be if the same add-on dropped for P3D and MSFS simultaneously which one would people buy?

More would buy for MSFS, I am certain. But that only partly has to do with the product(s) in question. I believe the MSFS users are, at the moment at least, way more "hungry" for good add-ons. For P3D, there are already at least two A320 offerings, one very usable and one top-notch.

Edited July 20, 2021 by d.tsakiris