a question about time

[sightseer 895]

" and I suffer premonitions, confirmed suspicions..."

"and I got second sight. I've got amazing powers of observation"

"I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...oh yeah"

[Rocky_53 1,566]

14 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

Please DO say more. Please elaborate. We would all be fascinated to know what happened.

Well, OK Martin, this I have just copied from a post of mine on YouTube. (sorry if it looks like I'm taking over the thread, that's not my intention) Incidentally, I am gouing to make a short video of my expereince, because I believe it to be very significant. What I say, I say with complete honesty on my chiildren's lives... 45/46 years ago I saw three UFOs flying on a summer's night while I lay on my back, stargazing in the garden.

It was sometime in the summer of 1975/76 and it was a beautiful, warm evening and the sky was clear, dark but slightly milky in shade as the atmosphere was lit from memory, by the moon. If anyone looks at the sky at night, it is never jet black, especially at about 10.30pm in the summer. I had been to the pub with three other house mates and walked home from the pub at about 10.30, and no I wasn't drunk! I didn't really drink much in those days, unlike my earlier late teen years! I probably had maybe a pint and a half of lager. When we arrived home, the other guys sat inside the lounge and started to watch some TV. It was a beautiful evening, so we opened the two french doors, which led to the lawn, and I went outside and lay down on my back, to literally stargaze, which I continue to enjoy doing to this day. After having been there for, I can't remember the exact amount oif time, but I think about 10-15 minutes, all of sudden I was aware, out of the corner of my eye, off to my far right, of some movement in the sky. At first I couldn't make out what it was, but the longer I stared in that direction, the more my eyes became accustomed to three circular discs. These UFOs were silhouetted against the moonlit sky. Side by side. No lights, no sound, just three discs each about the size of the moon, possibly a little smaller, flying in formation. The two on the outside were moving differently from the centre one, which was flying in a straight line. It was like they were escorting the centre craft. They were in view for about 45 seconds (guesstimate) as they past overhead from west to east. They were also seen by a friend who had been watching TV at the same time. I called for him and he raced outside and peered towards where I directed him. At first he couldn't see anything because his eyes had not adjusted to the darkness, but the more he could see my excitement, the more he continued to watch, then all of a sudden he yelled, "yeah, three of them, I see them, my god" he shouted. This was the one and only time I saw something like this, so very real, but that event cemented my belief that there is something or someone else out there, and I have held that belief for the past 45/46 years.

[sightseer 895]

@Rockliffe  don't worry about modifying the thread.  I love threads that detour into other interesting topics.  I prefer the 'premonitions' detour but UFO's is OK too I suppose.

 

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by sightseer

[martin-w 3,234]

43 minutes ago, Rockliffe said:

No lights, no sound, just three discs each about the size of the moon, possibly a little smaller, flying in formation. The two on the outside were moving differently from the centre one, which was flying in a straight line. It was like they were escorting the centre craft. They were in view for about 45 seconds (guesstimate) as they past overhead from west to east. They were also seen by a friend who had been watching TV at the same time. I called for him and he raced outside and peered towards where I directed him. At first he couldn't see anything because his eyes had not adjusted to the darkness, but the more he could see my excitement, the more he continued to watch, then all of a sudden he yelled, "yeah, three of them, I see them, my god" he shouted. This was the one and only time I saw something like this, so very real, but that event cemented my belief that there is something or someone else out there, and I have held that belief for the past 45/46 years.

 

Interesting! Almost as big as the Moon is very large. Where they solid looking discs or just round glowing lights? And you say disks, so were they  perfectly round? A disk would look perfectly round from directly beneath but elliptical from an angle. If you were directly beneath and they were perfectly round they could have been globes.   

Have you researched the UFO archives to see if anyone else witnessed this at the same time and location? 

[Rocky_53 1,566]

30 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

Interesting! Almost as big as the Moon is very large. Where they solid looking discs or just round glowing lights? And you say disks, so were they  perfectly round? A disk would look perfectly round from directly beneath but elliptical from an angle. If you were directly beneath and they were perfectly round they could have been globes.   

Have you researched the UFO archives to see if anyone else witnessed this at the same time and location? 

Hi Martin, I say the size of the moon, but I have just tried to reimagine the size with some paper and drawing a disc and measuring it! To try and be more accurate, if you were to draw a circle on some paper witha  diameter of about 5mm and held it at arms length, then that was about the size, from what I can remember, it's 45 odd years ago! So I guess they were slightly smaller than the moon, not sure to be honest. No, no glowing objects, no sound and no lights, totally silent. They could have been globe in shape, because they were silhouetted in the night sky, it's impossible to say whether they were a globe or a disc to be honest. No researching of archives, because I can't be 100% accurate on the date. What I would say is that, for some reason, and I don't know why, I got the feeling that they were well inside the earth's atmosphere, only guessing, but maybe a couple of thousand feet. They could have been further away but larger, but because of their movement and the fact that they were completedly black, it suggested that they were silhouetted aginst the haze of the sky, suggesting they were closer rather than farther away.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Rockliffe

[martin-w 3,234]

18 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

and the fact that they were completedly black

 

Balloons perhaps? No unusual manoeuvres? 

[Rocky_53 1,566]

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

 

Balloons perhaps? No unusual manoeuvres? 

No Martin, no chance. The centre object was going in an absolute stright line, in the same way if you observed an aircraft in the sky. The other two, one on either side, were maneurvering about, moving a little forward, getting slightly ahead of the centre object, then backwards, altering their positions slightly all the time. The two outside objects were continually trying to match their speed to either catch up or slow down to maintain a constant distance from the centre object. They were in fact quite close to one another. I can tell, you, they were the epitome of UFOs, completely unidentifiable by any suggestion that has been put forward to me over the years, on the few times I have talked about this event. Here is a pic where I have tried to recreate the sizes and formation of the objects. It's difficult, because when I saw them they were more or less overhead, as I was lying down.  It's important for me to add, that in the picture, they could be construed as being one object in a triangle shape, but that was definitely not the case, they were three separate objects.

 

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Edited July 27, 2021 by Rockliffe

[martin-w 3,234]

19 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

No Martin, no chance. The centre object was going in an absolute stright line, in the same way if you observed an aircraft in the sky. The other two, one on either side, were maneurvering about, moving a little forward, getting slightly ahead of the centre object, then backwards, altering their positions slightly all the time.

 

Weird stuff indeed.

The only thing I would say, in terms of a potential alien visitation hypothesis (I know you haven't claimed aliens) is that you would expect super advanced craft to be precisely locked in formation and not have to manoeuvre around to stay with the craft they were formatting with. 

 

[Mallard 195]

What those three objects could also be (and I was surprised by a similar thing a while back): flocks of birds. They can be active at night, especially when the moon is out. Without binoculars you will just see blobs moving about.

I was taking some snaps of a 3/4 moon some years back and saw something from the corner of my eye moving in a steady line across a part of the night sky. Even with binoculars I could not quite make out what it was, until I hear the honking of ducks...

 

Cheers

 

Mallard

[Rocky_53 1,566]

9 hours ago, Mallard said:

What those three objects could also be (and I was surprised by a similar thing a while back): flocks of birds. They can be active at night, especially when the moon is out. Without binoculars you will just see blobs moving about.

I was taking some snaps of a 3/4 moon some years back and saw something from the corner of my eye moving in a steady line across a part of the night sky. Even with binoculars I could not quite make out what it was, until I hear the honking of ducks...

 

Cheers

 

Mallard

I can tell you quite categorically Mallard that they were nothing other than three discs, definitely not a flock of birds! The size and shape of them was quite distinguishable. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by Rockliffe

[Mallard 195]

And I can tell you quite categorically, that after 45 years you cannot say categorically what you saw. It's a bit like my father who used to go on about his flaming red Triumph TR4, which he claimed was what got my mother interested in him - until I found a picture of that car in an album in the attic one day.

It was black.

 

Cheers

 

Mallard

[Tim_Capps 474]

Premonitions are just a fact, as far as I'm concerned. In January 2019 I was being driven home from an out-of-town doctor's appointment with my wife and told her there was going to be an accident before we got home. I knew it and wasn't happy. And, indeed there was, and I still get around with a brace and cane. Now, what the premonition did not reveal is that the accident happened to the guy in front of us, We witnessed a drunk driver run off the road and down an embankment about three miles from our house. I snapped my leg attempting to render assistance. I suppose I thought I was off the hook 🙂. I also noticed when I was in the Navy JAG Corps and traveling a lot among different time zones that I would wake up five minutes before my travel alarm went off. At first I thought my "subconscious clock" must be setting its own alarm. I think most of us have experienced something like that. Then I realized that my subconscious was taking into account time zones ranging from the Midwest USA to the Arabian Gulf AND synced to my cheap alarm clock. I suppose that's possible, too, but even that is odd, and it seemed that the simplest explanation was a slight bleed into "the future" while asleep. Examples could be multiplied, although I'm not sure what it says about time. The best "explanation" of time I ever found was "the thing that keeps everything from happening at once." But I'm not sure everything doesn't happen at once, so time and consciousness are probably (my guess) linked very tightly but not perfectly in all cases. If you think about it, being untethered from a common experience of "one-way time" would make life very difficult, so, I for one endorse time---whatever it is. For now.

[birdguy 3,943]

I have almost always awakened when I should no matter where I was or where I was going.  It's called the Circadian Rhythm.  I think you can tell yourself when to wake you up.  When I was on guard duty in the Marine Corps we walk our posts for four hours and then we went back to the bunk to sleep for another 4 hours.  I was always self awakened before the supernumerary of the guard came in to wake me up.

I can still tell myself how long to sleep.  I normally get 6 hours a night.  I watch movies on tV until midnight and then go right to bed and sleep until 6AM.  If a movie is a long one and goes until 1AM I automatically sleep until 7AM.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/circadian-rhythm

Noel

[n4gix 4,947]

On 7/28/2021 at 4:30 PM, Mallard said:

until I found a picture of that car in an album in the attic one day.

It was black.

Are you sure it is a colour picture? 🤪

[Mallard 195]

7 hours ago, n4gix said:

Are you sure it is a colour picture? 🤪

Not only was it a (admittedly grainy) slightly faded but still slighly garish Kodachrome print, but a short while later my mum said there should also be a Super 8 film around somewhere as well. And we did indeed not only find that, but also got the projector up and running. So I could see that gleaming piece of machinery (I mean the car, not my parents) in motion.

Now the picture of my dad in his MG TF from the beginning of the 60s was indeed in black and white - so I can't guarantee that car was actually painted in British Racing Green - as he claimed 🙂

I do think it's strange sometimes how intensely the past can be changed in our minds. My dad's exclamation was triggered by us visiting a classic car show where a gleaming red TR4 (A IRS, to be precise) could be seen. He was completely convinced that that was exactly the same like the one he had, down to the polished steel rims instead of the often used after-market spokes and some other options that the car at the show was equipped with. It set off all kinds of recollections about the tours he did in that thing around Sydney and the Blue Mountains, and - grinning - the girls he managed to take along for "the rides". Among them a later Miss Australia, no less (something that was actually confirmed by my mum, as they had all moved in the same social circles before my parents got together)! But you would have expected him to get  the car's colour right...

Oh, by the way - I regularly wake up one to two minutes before any alarm I set to any time I have to 😄 It's something I'm quite happy about, as in the rare cases where the alarm does the waking I always have the feeling of being ripped from sleep instead of waking up by myself. The first way makes for a much better start to the day.

Cheers

 

Mallard