52 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Even in that case, people would probably migrate to XP12 instead. 

I totally agree. I’m head having “tons” of issues with P3D 5.2. Some users in this forum quickly wanted me to blame my system for the instability when MSFS, XP11, P3D 4.5 all worked flawlessly. It has a bunch of problems when using the latest touted technology. To the point where I am about to just mo e on from it. Because Eli have invested thousands of dollars into aircraft and scenery it’s a hard decision but I cannot continue to justify the constant tweaking. I must have spend easily 120 hours in 5 weeks trying to get it to an acceptable level only to be disappointed.
 

Now I see the simulator and all I see is a cartoonish experience that until MSFS came along I couldn’t notice. But now it’s clear that this engine has reached the maximum it can do with out a complete redesign of the engine. 
 

The  day I get a quality “study level” aircraft in MSFS you will see my walk away completely. Much how I moved on from FSX years ago. 

2 hours ago, Les Parson said:

Ray, on a somewhat related question, I have been on v5.2 for about three weeks after upgrading from v4.5. Can you advise any recommendations or considerations prior to deleting v4.5? 

Not without knowing more about what you want from the sim. IFR or VFR flights? GA or PMDG / FS Labs aircraft or decent GA aircraft?

Most, perhaps all your airports will work in v5 although you should check where you bought them from for v5 installers.

I deleted v4 around a month ago and have no regrets.

58 minutes ago, Alcides Segovia said:

I’m head having “tons” of issues with P3D 5.2

It is frustrating but the least worst option is to uninstall scenery, content and client in that order and then install from the full product download.

Knowing your hardware would help but if it can run v4 then v5 should be fine.

You guys are probably younger and richer then me. I'm not saying technology won't or shouldn't move forward. I'm just saying I'm happy with what I have and am not ready to throw a lot more money into the chase. IMHO P3DV5.2 is a nice stable platform and I much more enjoy flying then tweaking and waiting on developers to offer the aircraft I use on another platform. If you get down to it tweaking is a part of the hobby and will always involve getting your hardware to give the best experience posable from the software you're using and I seem to have found my optimum. Of course I'm also happy with my little house, ten year old pickup and 68 year old wife so maybe I'm just easy to please. Oh yea, my grand son has a Little League game tonight and I'll be happy with however he does:)        

Anyone who has in interest in hi-fi will know about the law of diminishing returns.

Once you reach a certain level you have to spend a disproportionate amount more to make a decent improvement. I’d argue that 64-bit P3D was the huge leap that transformed P3D and that improvements in v5 and perhaps beyond will not bring anything like the same changes.

From a maximum of 3.8Gb of available memory in v3 we now have a huge amount limited only by installed RAM and a trade-off between performance and complexity.

Next time you launch v5 open System Manager and see how much RAM is used by the sim plus several Gb more for the graphics.

What has been infuriating is my scenery settings in v3.4 being a fraction of what the hardware is capable of simply not to run out of VAS. You do remember VAS don’t you? 😉 Used purely for the 32-bit Concorde I hasten to add. 

39 minutes ago, Patco Lch said:

You guys are probably younger and richer then me. I'm not saying technology won't or shouldn't move forward. I'm just saying I'm happy with what I have and am not ready to throw a lot more money into the chase. IMHO P3DV5.2 is a nice stable platform and I much more enjoy flying then tweaking and waiting on developers to offer the aircraft I use on another platform. If you get down to it tweaking is a part of the hobby and will always involve getting your hardware to give the best experience posable from the software you're using and I seem to have found my optimum. Of course I'm also happy with my little house, ten year old pickup and 68 year old wife so maybe I'm just easy to please. Oh yea, my grand son has a Little League game tonight and I'll be happy with however he does:)        

You aren’t alone with this one. I am 27 years old and been simming since I was probably 12 or 13 years old. Starting with FS2004 (FS9) through FSX all the way to P3D 5.2. And I have to say many people don’t appreciate the amount of improvements the sim has gone through. It is very stable - at least to me, runs very well even in London and heavily populated areas (which has always been an issue for me with older sims and my older PC). But this time I am very happy with P3D 5 and also not very keen on changing to a different platform just yet. I am very loyal customer as one could say. Even though I am a person that would jump into everything new - this time it’s different. And I am all in for super good looking sceneries, aircraft and environment.

All in all, there might be a huge age difference between us, I am very happy with P3D (and I think I’ve got high expectations from the sim). So you’re not alone in this 😉😊

I wonder if some of the people constantly trying to put MSFS above P3D are regretting having bet all on one platform and now want the other one to fall just for peace of mind. Navigraph results from last year survey show that still a lot of us are using P3D as our main (or only) simulation platform (close to 50%) and based on what I read on the forums, those of us who have chosen to go that way are most satisfied. Constantly having people on this forum trying to enlighten us about the marvels of MSFS and how much we are missing sticking with P3D is really tiring.

I have some payware airports and some add-ons in P3D and i'm happy with the smooth running of the game . By the way on my second PC, GTA  looks much nicer than MSFS

my add-ons : AIG for AI traffic PMDG 777 ,ORBX central, some payware airports, AS & ASCA, ChasePlane, Navigraph, envshade..

 

OPERATING SYSTEM: MS Windows 10 Professional | CPU : i9-10900X | MEMORY : 32GB CORSAIR  | GPU :  RTX 3060 Ti | SYSTEM DRIVE : 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe M.2 | SIMULATOR : PREPAR3D v5.2 Professional | MONITOR : LG 32" G-SYNC | CONTROLS: CH-Trottle Quandrant | Honeycomb Yoke | Thrustmaster

26 minutes ago, Fludo said:

I wonder if some of the people constantly trying to put MSFS above P3D are regretting having bet all on one platform and now want the other one to fall just for peace of mind. Navigraph results from last year survey show that still a lot of us are using P3D as our main (or only) simulation platform (close to 50%) and based on what I read on the forums, those of us who have chosen to go that way are most satisfied. Constantly having people on this forum trying to enlighten us about the marvels of MSFS and how much we are missing sticking with P3D is really tiring.

I will use P3D for a long time probably, in tandem with MSFS. I simply know the future is not going to be as interesting for P3D, especially after hearing them talk on stage. Read the topic of the thread, I have every right to post my opinion here and so do others, I also haven't really said anything "enlightening" about msfs have I?

7 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If LM released v6 would you buy it? In all honesty perhaps v5 is the last version we need with DX12. Are there plans for DX13 and if so, what would that bring? Nothing sensational I’m sure.

The big leap was to 64-bit in v4. That transformed the sim. Continued graphical and performance improvements with v5 are offset by DXGI issues.

What is missing from v5? We have quality 3rd party aircraft soon to be joined by a state-of-the-art 64-bit Concorde either later this year or next. The FSL Airbus and PMDG aircraft are as good as you’ll get.

There are lots of airports available for v4 most of which will still work with v5. Third-party landclass and mesh greatly improves the default sim. Active Sky weather gives great results too.

We have to accept that the flaws brought over from FSX via the ESP engine aren’t going to be fixed but stars visible in daylight and Ai traffic that aren’t very intelligent are fairly minor irritations. The AIG package will always work in v5.

If v5.2 was the last release it wouldn’t be a catastrophe unlike in 2009 when Microsoft pulled the plug on the 32-bit horrible FSX that even top notch hardware struggled with.

One day I’ll probably buy MSFS but only for low-level VFR stuff. For serious flying P3D will remain my first choice.

Honestly? YES. Whatever it brings. I think I just want it to continue to be in development. As long as they are working on SOMETHING, I am pretty happy. 5.2 looks great to me - sometimes better than MSFS from above. It's stable and I haven't had a single crash since 5.1 - it performs well, it has everything I want in terms of aircraft, and I am generally happy with it. I happily use MSFS, P3D, and XP and want all 3 of the platforms to continue development because they each have something that the others don't. For example, if I am flying at night, I don't think I want anything other than XP. My aircraft is kind of compartmentalized - P3D for modern airliners and Tupolev 134 (except A350 which I have on XP), XP for vintage airliners, and MSFS for whatever I can get that's half-way decent (enjoying PMDG DC-6, MilViz stuff, and JustFlight for the most part)... So I have DIFFERENT planes in my sims, I am very happy to have all three. But do I want a new P3D version? Absolutely! What do I want in it? Better WHATEVER they can give me. 😉 As long as there is progress. 

I will stick with P3D from personal choice, as for addons that some go on about needing for P3D I notice over 1,000 addons are already available for MSFS to spend your money on, at this rate MSFS will have the largest number of addons for a sim in a few years a great cash cow for developers.  

Even if I wanted to switch to MSFS, I don't have the time to learn a whole new way of doing things with that sim at this stage of my life. That right now is one big advantage of P3D, she is like an old favorite car, you know where everything is and how it all runs. 

I left P3D 3.4xx behind at the beginning of 2021 for version 5.1 Hf1 and for now I am very happy with this version. It is very stable, I enjoy the 64 bit sim environment, the improvements that come with DX12 and my third party addons. Once LM is able to provide a good workable update that enhances "EA", then I will update to that version. As for MSFS 2020, probably sometime down the road I may make it my "go to" sim once it matures more. But for now, I will stay right where I am,

Well speculative I know but overall P3DV5.2 has been trouble free for me. In fact it is smooth and runs well indeed, very impressive after decade plus of the clunky FSX. What needs to be fixed - True Sky really needs some tweaking for cloud above F200, below that it is great and I don't use anything else (I have the others AS and REX) but they need to sort out the way Cirrus is displayed. The big one still to be done is to get Sim Director working. The last patch only allows you to use LM's stock libraries and kit,  the moment you remove the filter it is a total bust and will not run at all. The angle for the appearance of runway lighting at night would be a long overdue fix as well! 

I am not sure what else I could add in the way of sim models now, everything I had has been upgraded or ported across into V5.2 very well. The problem now is not P3D as I see it, it is going to be around for a long time despite the views of some it is a dead duck, it is not, but for non commercial users like the average simmer MSFS has done what MS usually does promised the world, busted the market and left it in shambles. Not sure how most developers are going to pick themselves up with this now seeing most have jumped for MSFS not P3D - so I am glad actually that all my stuff goes ok in P3D because I will be dead and buried before MSFS comes good! The major issue as I see it is not P3D but the sad and sorry state of real world aviation post Covid it is really going to kill off all the old birds quickly and make historic aircraft a rarity indeed with half the worlds airline pilots unemployed the demand for training and sims is in the ditch for the time being. 

Edited September 28, 20214 yr by coastaldriver

On 9/27/2021 at 3:04 AM, pilatuz said:

Yeah it really just seemed like a reminder to us that we're not the focus. Xplane 12's room was full, P3D maybe 1/3, so there you go. 

I'm not surprised by this.  I suspect that the consumer home market for P3D makes up for a very small part of P3D's revenue.  LM is probably making way more money on commercial and military customers, than from home market customers.  Even though P3D officially isn't supposed to be used for home market customers, if LM was making very good money from home market customers, they would probably come out with announcements and features to placate home market customers (they can just say the features they are doing are for commercial & military customers, nobody can prove those features are targeted for home market customers).