1 hour ago, FrankSalo said:

I'm hoping GSX is ready when the 737 releases. Then I'll shift more into MSFS. 

Me2!

For many years now I could/would not use P3D w/o using FSCaptain because I really needed a purpose to fly the airliners in.  If you're not familiar FSC has it's own gauge (FMC look alike) and monitors your behaviors during flight to see you're following certain procedures correctly, scores your ability to keep on time, and gives you a score at the end of each flight and advances your career according to hours and score as a pilot.  It is fully integrated w/ GSX I/II, accommodates anti-ice treatment calls.  I really look forward to FSC arriving into MSFS, and they really want to do this but are waiting in the wings because the SDK isn't robust enough to do all of what FSC can do.

I now only use P3D when MSFS is too troubled to use, which fortunately for me has been rarely.  The last time I used P3D was a few weeks ago and sadly, upon final approach into KOAK she CTD.

1 hour ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Probably true but not an option for many people. Lets not forget.

Why is that not an option, does PMDG not sell to some people?

2 hours ago, united001 said:

I agree. I have experienced that with another scenery add-on developer. Asobo makes the developer submit the update and then according to the developer is a minimum 2 week wait to more or less certify the update before it appears in the MSFS marketplace. In this case, I waited 6 weeks for Asobo to approve the update when the dev's website had their own customers updated 6 weeks prior. Frustrating to say the least.

United001

This is one reason why I can't understand the fascination with wanting to buy stuff from the MS Marketplace. Just get it straight from the developer. It really isn't that difficult.

Edited September 1, 20214 yr by Christopher Low

5 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

This is one reason why I can't understand the fascination with wanting to buy stuff from the MS Marketplace. Just get it straight from the developer if you can. It really isn't that difficult.

I could see someone opting to buy from the Market place if the support was good, but their customer support is terrible, and you don't even get a receipt for your purchase. PMDG just released another update for the DC6, I think that is the third or forth. I haven't received even one for any of the  three of the Carenado aircraft I purchased from the market place. 

Edited September 1, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Why is that not an option, does PMDG not sell to some people?

Because there are some people who are brand new to the flight sim genre and don’t want to bog their computers down with an installer for EVERY airplane and EVERY scenery. There are some who don’t care about getting updates the second they come out because they aren’t flying constantly and can put the hobby down and choose something else to spend time on. Or they don’t need to fly an aircraft or fly into an airport exclusively and not having an update doesn’t ruin their experience. 
 

You’re an opinionated man judging by most of your posts and that’s something I personally can appreciate very much. I’m just surprised that you are this myopic about the marketplace vs. going straight to the add on developer.

3 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Because there are some people who are brand new to the flight sim genre and don’t want to bog their computers down with an installer for EVERY airplane and EVERY scenery. There are some who don’t care about getting updates the second they come out because they aren’t flying constantly and can put the hobby down and choose something else to spend time on. Or they don’t need to fly an aircraft or fly into an airport exclusively and not having an update doesn’t ruin their experience. 
 

You’re an opinionated man judging by most of your posts and that’s something I personally can appreciate very much. I’m just surprised that you are this myopic about the marketplace vs. going straight to the add on developer.

Well then that is a choice they make, I got the impression that some thought the Market place was their only option. Hey if people think the Market Place is cool that's wonderful for MS and their bottom line.  

Edited September 1, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well then that is a choice they make, I got the impression that some thought the Market place was their only option. Hey if people think the Market Place is cool that's wonderful for MS and their bottom line.  

I agree with you. It’s all about educating others I suppose. I just passed what you said about carenado to one of my good friends whom I got into this hobby. He wasn’t aware that’s how the marketplace updates worked. Thanks for your input on that by the way. Sincerely.

4 hours ago, captain420 said:

I hope that once the PMDG 737 comes out that it won't be much longer before they release the rest of their fleet, 777, 747-8 for MSFS. As most of the base work is done in the 737 and some of the stuff they can carry over to the other planes.

 

 

I wouldn't hold you're breath with the way ABOSO brakes this sim with every dang update!!!!

 

 

Asobo only really broke the Sim with Su5. Before then some things less critical were busted and fixed quickly with hotfixes. And in saying that, i believe the changes made to Su5 are a better outcome for future development.

19 minutes ago, ray hughes said:

Asobo only really broke the Sim with Su5. Before then some things less critical were busted and fixed quickly with hotfixes. And in saying that, i believe the changes made to Su5 are a better outcome for future development.

I agree, and would also emphasize SU5 was really the Xbox update w/ PC users dragged along kicking and screaming.  IOW, this was pretty easy to predict.  Their priority was never to make sure all was perfect for Win 10 users for this release, but to get something that worked as a starting point for Xbox.

9 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

This is one reason why I can't understand the fascination with wanting to buy stuff from the MS Marketplace. Just get it straight from the developer. It really isn't that difficult.

The marketplace has regional prices and that makes it much cheaper for people around the world to purchase their add-ons. It is also the only way to do that on Xbox...

Personally, I still opt to buy (almost) everything in the marketplace to support the ecosystem as whole. 

P3D's approach of gathering updates from 15 different sources is history for me (and even though I don't mind, I believe MS is working on expediting the update release process).

Edited September 2, 20214 yr by GCBraun

2023 is going to be a great year! 🤩

45 minutes ago, odourboy said:

2093 is going to be a great year! 🤩

Hopefully I'll be able to get a 3000 series GPU by then. 🤣

18 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I haven't received even one for any of the  three of the Carenado aircraft I purchased from the market place. 

I just noticed the Seneca and Warrior have been updated, which I don't own...but not the Mooney....again. 🤬

I've all but given up on that aircraft, despite being one of my favorites. The Marketplace is a "convenient" way to buy/install aircraft if you don't have the wherewithal or aptitude to click 2 buttons in the excellent PMDG installer to get instant updates to the great DC-6.   

I will never buy a product from the Marketplace if its available for sale by the vendor or 3rd party.

42 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

I just noticed the Seneca and Warrior have been updated, which I don't own...but not the Mooney....again. 🤬

I've all but given up on that aircraft, despite being one of my favorites. The Marketplace is a "convenient" way to buy/install aircraft if you don't have the wherewithal or aptitude to click 2 buttons in the excellent PMDG installer to get instant updates to the great DC-6.   

I will never buy a product from the Marketplace if its available for sale by the vendor or 3rd party.

Seminole hasn't been updated either. I just started flying it when SU5 broke it.