1 minute ago, Noel said:

Thank you for all of that.  I think I will wait for the completed next version as I'm just learning the idiosyncrasies of the default version and i've had some excellent completed flights w/ everything working as well as can be expected for a stock plane.  I really detest chasing updates and that is another reason I prefer to make purchases exclusively thru the Marketplace.  I like to spend time flying not fixing.

To be honest,  the marketplace sells broken stuff.  Stuff that they've been notified by several people that it's broken,  and they still sell it.   I'm not kidding when I say that they are selling content which causes texture issues elsewhere in the sim,   causes hung loading screens,  as well as CTD's.

 And,  it takes ages for them to update products.

Man,  I was just looking at their commits.  They've been busier than a one legged man in a butt kicking contest since 0.1.0.9.    Hundreds and hundreds of changes.

https://github.com/Heavy-Division/B78XH/commits/main  

Now a last word this evening to this stable builds : At the time a stable build comes out after that still new an overworked Dev builds come a long and this most very fast.

So lets say you have the newest stable build and there are allready 3 or so NEW dev builds out after that and you go to discord or github and explain an issue with that stable build they tell you to use allways the newest dev build - so this is a stupid thing, why using a stable if the newer builds are updated and the useable ons..

So better to use always the newest Dev version and you are good to go and up to date..

cheers 😉

Edited September 5, 20214 yr by pmplayer

8 hours ago, Noel said:

I just started using this plane less than a week ago.  Unfortunately the acclaimed Heavy Divsion mod is not good post SU-5 as the most recent revision for that mod preceeded SU-5 by a week or two.   So after initially trying the plane w/ the mod only to find too many broken basics, I decided to give the default 787-10 a test.  I'm quite impressed, despite its shortcomings.

I agree. I find it fun and interesting, as long as you don't get to hung up missing things from full on payware that costs much more than the approx $3 you pay for each premium deluxe plane......

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

Now a last word this evening to this stable builds : At the time a stable build comes out after that still new an overworked Dev builds come a long and this most very fast.

So lets say you have the newest stable build and there are allready 3 or so NEW dev builds out after that and you go to discord or github and explain an issue with that stable build they tell you to use allways the newest dev build - so this is a stupid thing, why using a stable if the newer builds are updated and the useable ons..

So better to use always the newest Dev version and you are good to go and up to date..

cheers 😉

I agree, and with things like the FBW A320, I always use the dev build.  I had never used anything other than a stable build with any github mod, and really, didn't understand how to do otherwise with their setup.  That isn't a fault with HD, but more a fault with github, as apparently it is not intended to be end user, or beginner, friendly.  Not everyone interested in the work published on github is actually a developer, and therefore not familiar with the flow of development.  With the HD 787, there is nothing obvious that indicates you can download anything useable beyond the latest stable build. 

Any given project on github can be any number of end users first experience with the platform, and it is not necessarily friendly for that purpose.  Please try to be understanding to people not familiar with the process, and be helpful, rather than condescending to those that aren't familiar with it.

42 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

... as long as you don't get to hung up missing things from full on payware that costs much more than the approx $3 you pay for each premium deluxe plane......

I mean, absolutely.  All in the expectations and this $3 plane greatly exceeds expectation.  I mean, graphically it's lovely, the basics in the FMC work though can be more automated.  Yes it's missing some signifcant hings but to me when you look at the entire package, it's was already 95% complete before the mod, and I don't mean parallel with the best payware, but for what it is--ultimately useable and agree, fun.  Compared to the absolute garbage default planes in ancient Prepar3D it's a complete marvel!  

4 hours ago, Sigwolf said:

Apparently their Discord is a closely guarded secret.  Every link to an invite I found through a google search came back as invalid, and they don't list one on the githib page.

 

edit... finally found one on the flightsim.to page.   https://discord.gg/CfHuVbWfpQ

Discord links have an expiration date.  The default duration is 7 days,  and is determined by the number of supporters who boost the server.   When a community reaches a certain level of boost,  it's links become permanent links.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Waldo Pepper said:

Discord links have an expiration date.  The default duration is 7 days,  and is determined by the number of supporters who boost the server.   When a community reaches a certain level of boost,  it's links become permanent links.

 

 

Certainly, but it's not unusual for a developer to keep an updated invite on other social media channels, or github.  Otherwise, how are new users supposed to know of, or get access to, said Discord channel?  Discord can be very convenient for developers, but if you want Discord to be your main source of updates, in lieu of, say, a web page, at least provide a way for new users to find it, eh?

I agree.

3 hours ago, Waldo Pepper said:

To be honest,  the marketplace sells broken stuff.  Stuff that they've been notified by several people that it's broken,  and they still sell it.   I'm not kidding when I say that they are selling content which causes texture issues elsewhere in the sim,   causes hung loading screens,  as well as CTD's.

 And,  it takes ages for them to update products.

I think a good part of the reason the marketplace sells broken stuff is because MSFS is making significant (and breaking) changes to the sim at a regular pace.  3rd parties sell broken stuff as well I have several and have tried hard to get Orbx to update their products to fix what they released as broken.  They haven't after starting my quest in Oct 2020.   I do believes MS needs to focus on getting rid of the digital red tape that prevents updates from happening much more timely, commensurate w/ those changes in the sim. But I don't support having 30 3rd party devs each with their own sales and maintenance interface it's too inefficient and I really appreciate one-stop shopping.  After all, the common denominator is the sim, so they all must comply w/ the demands of the sim anyway.  It's expensive for each to build and maintain their own interface for sales and support.

11 hours ago, Noel said:

  When I compare against a flight done in the PMDG NGXu truthfully I can say they are shockingly comparable, really.  Sure there are many missing details, but a lot of those don't come into play in the NGXu anyway, once you're configured the plane.  Especially performance and while CAT III landings aren't quite dialed in well most everything works shockingly well in terms of the FMC and navigation. 

 

It's a sin to say that MSFS 787 it's "shockingly comparable" with the PMDG 737NGXu.

Unfortunately, you don't understand the complexity of the PMDG 737 (I'm not saying that is 100% accurate, it cannot be for a game), and the MSFS 787.

Can't you see the difference between the PMDG 737 FMC functionality (about 95%) versus the MSFS 787 (about 10%)?

This is so wrong............ 

2 hours ago, killthespam said:

It's a sin to say that MSFS 787 it's "shockingly comparable" with the PMDG 737NGXu.

Unfortunately, you don't understand the complexity of the PMDG 737 (I'm not saying that is 100% accurate, it cannot be for a game), and the MSFS 787.

Can't you see the difference between the PMDG 737 FMC functionality (about 95%) versus the MSFS 787 (about 10%)?

This is so wrong............ 

I don't think he meant it like that. I understand what he's saying. Pmdg might be more complex but most people don't dive that deep and when comparing plane for plane as far as take off and landing its not that different since the plane will be on ap anyway 

8 hours ago, devgrp said:

I don't think he meant it like that. I understand what he's saying. Pmdg might be more complex but most people don't dive that deep and when comparing plane for plane as far as take off and landing its not that different since the plane will be on ap anyway 

Please don't get me wrong, as you know there is no comparison as to flight dynamics on any flight regime or takeoff/landing, FMA, between PMDG products and the MSFS airplanes.

I do understand perfectly about "most people don't dive that deep" but to say that "they are shockingly comparable, really" it's quite a big statement.

Thank you.

10 hours ago, killthespam said:

It's a sin to say that MSFS 787 it's "shockingly comparable" with the PMDG 737NGXu.

G100% accurate, it cannot be for a game), and the MSFS 787.

Can't you see the difference between the PMDG 737 FMC functionality (about 95%) versus the MSFS 787 (about 10%)?

This is so wrong............ 

I'm sorry for you and your emotional overreaction that you don't seem to appreciate the difference between comparable and identical.  I've used the NGXu and the NGX before it extensively, fully appreciate the myriad controls accessible thru the FMC, and beyond opening and closing doors and a few other things, once those parameters have been set you will never use them again and at that point, yes, they're fairly comparable.   The 787-10's fabulous glass cockit, functional lighting, the exterior modeling, and yes the FMC where you will align the IRS, select departure/arrival runways and procedures, and so forth.  Nope of course it's not as sophisticated and several details are missing I fully appreciate that and look forward to getting the NG in MSFS soon.  For now though, very pleasantly surprised with this very inexpensive offering.

8 hours ago, devgrp said:

I don't think he meant it like that. I understand what he's saying. Pmdg might be more complex but most people don't dive that deep and when comparing plane for plane as far as take off and landing its not that different since the plane will be on ap anyway 

I dive in fully deep in P3D so my particular comments have only to do with my initial impression of the 787-10 being much more detailed and capable than expected.  I had exactly zero fantasies it would be a substitute for something like the NGXu/NGX/777.  When you look real deep on what is configurable in the NGXu's FMC interface, a whole bunch of detail is focused on setting up the simulator for myriad personal preferences, much less so about what is required to execute a flight perfectly.   And when I look at the 787-10's FMC, it really does a fair amount of what is required to get you from gate to gate in very much the same way.  Of course I see the deficiencies, but again, when I look at the entire plane, I'm very pleased w/ what the 787-10 offers for the few $$ it cost to use it.  I did not expect it to be as sophisticated as it is.