Best part of WU6..

[kaosfere]

13 minutes ago, liamp51 said:

Sir this is a Wendys.

Eh, not totally fair.  🙂  I did ask for someone to explain why they object so strenuously to installing the Xbox app, and that was at least an attempt at an answer.  

Granted, not a very satisfying one.   I still don't understand how the Xbox app, an application that can be configured to start at run time, or not, and which is used to deliver and start games, is any different from Steam, an application that can be configured to start at run time or not, and which is used to deliver and start games -- but apparently it is, because Steam serves "some important purpose", while the Xbox app, apparently, does not.

(The statement that Steam is better because it's "on demand" is meritless, because the Xbox app is too.  Further, it appears to be possible to run the sim without the app running, while it's impossible to run anything in Steam without it running, even in offline mode, which seems to actually be a point in favor of the Xbox app.   But what do I know?)

I also don't understand what all that about Windows being a "friggin' blinkin' spammin' red light district" is about.  The only time my Windows 10 system friggin' blinks at me is when I've configured it to.   I must be using the super secret annoyance-free version without knowing it or something.  Dunno, beats me.

But an attempt was made!

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Quote

This from DC Designs Facebook:

WEDNESDAY SURPRISE!! I have just heard from the Microsoft Team that, as long as no issues are found, both the F-15 Eagles and the F-14 Tomcats are launching on X-Box Series consoles.... tomorrow! So you can all stop asking now 📷

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Sphinx Observatory, Switzerland

Edited September 8, 2021 by Waldo Pepper

[SuperKaro2014]

Best part so far... managed the update and took the Arrow for a spin Popham - Isle of Wight - Popham. VFR turned IFR turned VFR. Mindfulness!

Not a very challenging area for the sim, and all ran smoothly with new caching level set at Ultra. Will step up tomorrow 😉

 

[Waldo Pepper]

9 minutes ago, SuperKaro2014 said:

Best part so far... managed the update and took the Arrow for a spin Popham - Isle of Wight - Popham. VFR turned IFR turned VFR. Mindfulness!

Not a very challenging area for the sim, and all ran smoothly with new caching level set at Ultra. Will step up tomorrow 😉

 

Did you say, Isle of Wight?  👍

[SuperKaro2014]

I had time and weather set to Live... not sure it will go back to August 29, 1970...

[himmelhorse]

Kaosfere,

Apologies for late response to this query mate.

I have to say that I mentioned this as purely speculation.

Further to this though, is the fact that whilst XBox is for some people, a very viable option to PC (certainly cheaper initially, although I have never been a big fan of subscription) I do not feel however, that I should have to install it just to get at the programme I paid for. 

Surprisingly, I did discover that it was already installed and was in the update list.  I certainly did not install it knowingly and I am still wondering how it got there.  Having discovered that simple fact, was a little bit unnerving to say the least.  However, I did update it, following the conversation on how to install the latest update. I got the tick and "your good to go" message but I could not launch it. This, inevitably let to the latest uninstall due to everything just going round in loops. The reinstall was successful complete with the update.

What I question is the fact that once again MSFS has changed parameters, induced almost total confusion amongst people who are not natural nerds when it comes to MSFS and for "WHY????". Granted, those in the know, are certainly quick to help others out (you in particular) but what exactly is the purpose of the XBox connection.  My first thought was that MSFS was preparing for unknown changes in the next or following updates.  I thought it may be a preparation for further advertising opportunities for PC users to share the XBox platform and could even be a signal for the eventual dropping of support for PC. I really have no idea because I am NOT "in the know" and have little software or technical ability.

Apart from the fact that I do not have XBox, and have no intentions whatsoever, in investing in it, I cannot help wondering why this is absolutely necessary to fly MSFS on my computer. It did manage to seemingly confuse a hell of a lot of people for some unintelligible purpose  which to date has not been clarified.

I hope that is illuminating for you mate. I am just left wondering. I would also like to mention a thanks to you and others for your help in sorting this new install procedure, but I have yet to see a rational explanation for why it was all necessary in the first place.

Regards 

Tony

[Bobsk8]

Just landed at EDDF. The airport looks like Payware, they did a great job on this airport. 

[OneOfMany]

31 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

I really have no idea because I am NOT "in the know" and have little software or technical ability

I could be incorrect here, but the Xbox app is the one I use to purchase and download games from Microsoft. Same as the Steam app is the one I purchase and download games from Steam. When msfs2020 was released I purchased it on the Microsoft store, not the Xbox store.

Updates usually required updating the game through the Microsoft store prior to updating within the game. Now with the release on the Xbox gaming console, the game is purchased by console users on the Xbox store. I am pretty sure that they cannot access the Microsoft store from the Xbox. Most likely, this new access method was a requirement, and for many pc owners that either disabled at some point or never installed the Xbox store, it caused issues.

My guess is that in the near future, purchasing this title will only be possible from the Xbox store. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by OneOfMany
The term game and sim can be interchanged

[liamp51]

2 hours ago, kaosfere said:

Eh, not totally fair.  🙂  I did ask for someone to explain why they object so strenuously to installing the Xbox app, and that was at least an attempt at an answer.  

Granted, not a very satisfying one.   I still don't understand how the Xbox app, an application that can be configured to start at run time, or not, and which is used to deliver and start games, is any different from Steam, an application that can be configured to start at run time or not, and which is used to deliver and start games -- but apparently it is, because Steam serves "some important purpose", while the Xbox app, apparently, does not.

(The statement that Steam is better because it's "on demand" is meritless, because the Xbox app is too.  Further, it appears to be possible to run the sim without the app running, while it's impossible to run anything in Steam without it running, even in offline mode, which seems to actually be a point in favor of the Xbox app.   But what do I know?)

I also don't understand what all that about Windows being a "friggin' blinkin' spammin' red light district" is about.  The only time my Windows 10 system friggin' blinks at me is when I've configured it to.   I must be using the super secret annoyance-free version without knowing it or something.  Dunno, beats me.

But an attempt was made!

 

My response wasn't in good taste but I just get so tired of seeing people rant about things that are so trivial over and over again (I see people die in my work place every day so things like this tend to word not allowed me off). I just think people need to keep things in perspective - nothing in life is guaranteed (except anger towards Asobo after an update 😉 ). There's so much to be excited about with this new sim and I just don't understand why something as trivial as a updater would cause someone so much consternation. 

That was probably more deep than it needed to be but oh well! 

[kaosfere]

2 hours ago, liamp51 said:

That was probably more deep than it needed to be but oh well! 

Nothing wrong with being deep now and then.   The world needs more of it. 🙂

FWIW, I'm with you 100%.   Everyone's entitled to their own emotions, always, but it really feels like there's some seriously missing perspective from certain folks here a lot of the time.   If something as trivial as transient problems with pretend digital airplanes unhinges you enough to write multiple paragraphs ranting about it...  maybe some time volunteering on a crisis line or something could put your troubles in perspective.

There's a difference between caring deeply about something, and letting it dominate your emotions to an unhealthy degree.

That's not necessarily directed at anyone in particular, just a general thought and observation.

[Ricardo41]

On 9/7/2021 at 9:14 PM, Bert Pieke said:

 but for me, the best part is not having to look at the "XBox has landed" message every time I start MSFS  🙂

Wow, the things people get triggered by...

I love that MSFS 2020 is on Xbox. Ensures that flight simulation has a healthy future and brings in new gamers. Win win, in my book. 

[irocx]

4 hours ago, kaosfere said:

....... but it really feels like there's some seriously missing perspective from certain folks here a lot of the time. If something as trivial as transient problems with pretend digital airplanes unhinges you enough to write multiple paragraphs ranting about it........

Rob, We get it.  How many paragraphs have you written here recently attempting to "lend perspective" to your fellow simmers about the "trivialities" of forum life?

4 hours ago, kaosfere said:

There's a difference between caring deeply about something, and letting it dominate your emotions to an unhealthy degree.

Yup.

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by irocx

[himmelhorse]

Ok guys,

After a few days of struggles with update 6, may I offer the following observations.

I had to do a complete uninstall and reinstall due to my inability to run the XBox app in order to run the MSFS update.

After the successful reinstall, I took off and was unable to raise or lower the landing gear. so I paused the sim and entered the controls panel. I found approximately 7 controls which had been changed with the update.  Just checking all mappings took just over an hour, but everything was restored. What was strange about this, was the fact that it occurred with an empty Community folder.

I then exited MSFS using quit to desktop and restarted.  This was accompanied by an offer to start in safe mode. This anomaly persists to this day. I selected the MB339 from YBBN and as soon as I hit fly, I got a CTD. Another start (after a computer reboot) and I selected the MB339 again at YBCS. Another CTD. This led to the assumption that the problem was  the MB339 so I selected the stock 172 at YBCS which resulted in another CTD.

I then initiated a total deletion of all my modded aircraft, and then had a successful start with the stock 172. I tried the MB339 and all was functional.

This was followed by a complete re-download of each of my modded aircraft starting with the Bonanza g36. Flight resulted in black MFD and PFD. I moved on to the TBM and this time I got white MFD and PFD. The DA62 has a fairly dark MFD and an illegible PFD because it was very dark.  I could see the panel and its detail but could not read it,

FlybyWire was next and it loaded with an external cockpit view which I could not change. It also locked up my computer and I had to do a control/alt/delete to get out. the next reload resulted in the first justified offer to load in safe mode with all the other restarts offering the same but following a completely normal exit.

Now I have to point out that I am not angry or ranting about this, mainly because I know it will be fixed eventually. What upsets me is the fact that I am obviously the only one who is mentioning the fact that not one of my modded aircraft (basically the only ones I fly these days) are fully functional. I guess that I have reached the stage where, I have not the slightest expectation of an event free update and now expect to spend days trying to sort out and/or fix before a flight after the updates.

I also appreciate the fact, that most of the modders are sort of "out of the loop" and I do not think they are consulted prior to updates and therefore some of them have to be modded again to comply with the update. That is fair enough I guess. 

Having the above all happening (please note that it is only modded aircraft that do not function properly ... all other aircraft are flying to my expectations) I am now wondering if I just wait for mods to be updated or whether I have a fundamental fault with the re-install and maybe should do it all again.  What prompts this, is the fact that the FBW A320 is faulty too and if everyone else was suffering this anomoly, there would have been an unholy outburst from the community.  

In the meantime, I have my XPlane11 to calm me down when I need to fly.  

I would appreciate any help offered before I resort to a full uninstall and reinstall again.

Regards

Tony

[Bert Pieke]

16 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

Having the above all happening (please note that it is only modded aircraft that do not function properly ... all other aircraft are flying to my expectations) I am now wondering if I just wait for mods to be updated or whether I have a fundamental fault with the re-install and maybe should do it all again.

I think you are answering your own question.  If the default airplanes fly OK, you have a working installation.

Just go easy with testing your addons.. some may need an update..

No need to reinstall MSFS 🙂

Edited September 10, 2021 by Bert Pieke