Asobo/MSFS need to fix the code base…

[Spam3d 54]

Are people reverting BIOS and clocks back to default and testing, because my system at OC CPU was throwing CTDs, but only in FS2020, BF5 and other titles were just fine.

[kaosfere 3,115]

4 hours ago, styckx said:

3 pages of people who don't have access to the code or would know how to interpret it, playing armchair software engineer 

Hehe.   To me it seems like 1 page of that, and 3 pages of arguing about the merits of AMD vs NVidia.  And, because brand name wars are likely to be the less flamey and unproductive argument, I'll address that rather than the original topic.  😉

For me, for many years, the answer was NVidia because AMD video cards often had sub-optimal Linux drivers with notoriously bad performance.   From what I've read, that seems to not be the case anymore, but I tend to stick with NVidia unless there's something really compelling either in the tech (which is very seldom, NVidia is almost always the leader here and AMD the follower) or the value prop (much more likely) of a given AMD card.

 

[Noel 4,499]

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

I will take a screenshot. Pretty much everywhere I fly. 

OMG, something is absolutely amiss RobJC!  I'm wondering if you didn't complete the WU6 installation?  

[RobJC 2,069]

Just took off from JFK.

Edited September 20, 2021 by RobJC

[Flyfaster_MTN002 412]

9 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

Hehe.   To me it seems like 1 page of that, and 3 pages of arguing about the merits of AMD vs NVidia.  And, because brand name wars are likely to be the less flamey and unproductive argument, I'll address that rather than the original topic.  😉

For me, for many years, the answer was NVidia because AMD video cards often had sub-optimal Linux drivers with notoriously bad performance.   From what I've read, that seems to not be the case anymore, but I tend to stick with NVidia unless there's something really compelling either in the tech (which is very seldom, NVidia is almost always the leader here and AMD the follower) or the value prop (much more likely) of a given AMD card.

 

The caveat being that for a while, AMD had much more stable drivers. Nvidia seems to have rectified that.

[RobJC 2,069]

25 minutes ago, Spam3d said:

Are people reverting BIOS and clocks back to default and testing, because my system at OC CPU was throwing CTDs, but only in FS2020, BF5 and other titles were just fine.

I am running under-clocked for heat reasons.  

[MrBitstFlyer 3,873]

2 hours ago, fogboundturtle said:

My point is that people jump to the conclusion really quick that it's Asobo's fault for the CTD when it often isn't. Bad mods are the #1 issue for CTD. Why am I able to fly in MSFS without every having CTD ? What is so different about my setup than anyone else ? 

My experience with an empty community folder.

Pre SU5 no or very few CTDs

Post SU5 CTD every flight

MS/Asobo agree the CTDs exist and work on hotfix 2

Post Hotfix 2 no CTDs

My conclusion should be the CTDs are down to a bad MOD?

 

[Noel 4,499]

35 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Just took off from JFK.

Interesting, I don't know what to make of that.  In that plane out of JFK I would expect to see about 13Gb of SysRAM, and probably 10.5Gb of VRAM--BUT...I'm looking at RTSS' display of both.  Next time up I will bring up the dev mode display and sew what is says.  Also, when I open the dev mode display it will show as GPU limited, not main thread limited, FWIW.

[fogboundturtle 2,708]

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

My experience with an empty community folder.

Pre SU5 no or very few CTDs

Post SU5 CTD every flight

MS/Asobo agree the CTDs exist and work on hotfix 2

Post Hotfix 2 no CTDs

My conclusion should be the CTDs are down to a bad MOD?

 

your experience is anecdotal at best. My experience comes from helping thousands of users on the official MSFS Discord every day. 

 

That being said, it doesn't meant there isn't code issue with MSFS that causes CTDs. They are not as widespread at people seem to think.  This is my point. Easy to point the finger at Asobo compare to looking at your PC configuration. I had CTDs in KBOS once. I have no mods in KBOS whatsoever. I was pulling my hair out. Turns out a mods with really bad LOD in Catalina , CA was responsible for the CTD in Boston.  Liveries is also a big contribution to CTDs. It happens all the time. You get that OxC0000005 memory access violation error. It could also be a third party software like Capture One or AVAST messing things up.  I hope you are getting my point. This threads is starting accusing Asobo left and right where the proper troubleshooting wasn't performed.  I see this everyday in the MSFS discord.  They start claiming Asobo is the worst dev in the world turns out it had nothing to do with it. 

[SierraHotel 980]

Day after day, flight after flight (mostly the A32NX v070 now) I have zero problems. I run an air cooled AMD Ryzen 7 with an Nvidia 3060 12 gig just updated from a 1060 6 gig, TM Warthog HOTAS and Saitek rudder pedals. And since I upgraded the GPU I no longer get the infamous pauses. I fly up to three flights a day 5 /6 days a week.

Smooth as butter as you can see

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by SierraHotel

[pmb 5,137]

I agree to @fogboundturtle. I have rarely CTDs but could trace all of them, up to perhaps a couple of them since release, to mods, mostly freeware, which by itself or together with others are CTDing. I use the scenery linker and usually work to isolate the poisoned addon(s) which, however, costs me 1-2 hrs every time and isn't really fun.

That's probably not the only cause but an important one.

Kind regards, Michael 

Edited September 20, 2021 by pmb

[RobJC 2,069]

13 minutes ago, Noel said:

Interesting, I don't know what to make of that.  In that plane out of JFK I would expect to see about 13Gb of SysRAM, and probably 10.5Gb of VRAM--BUT...I'm looking at RTSS' display of both.  Next time up I will bring up the dev mode display and sew what is says.  Also, when I open the dev mode display it will show as GPU limited, not main thread limited, FWIW.

Maybe RTSS and MSFS dev mode use different calcs, but not sure. I am running bone stock config file for MSFS and only really limit FPS in the NVIDIA control panel. Not turning anything else up, but the settings in MSFS are all Ultra except the screen refresh (Low) at the bottom. Beats me, but I don't think MSFS is pushing my system at all. 

[RobJC 2,069]

9 minutes ago, pmb said:

I agree to @fogboundturtle. I have rarely CTDs but could trace all of them, up to perhaps a couple of them since release, to mods, mostly freeware, which by itself or together with others are CTDing. I use the scenery linker and usually work to isolate the poisoned addon(s) which, however, costs me 1-2 hrs every time and isn't really fun.

That's probably not the only cause but an important one.

Kind regards, Michael 

Oh I completely agree that mods can cause CTDs. I have basically stopped running them, with the exception of the no tool bar mod. No overclocking. No config tweaks. No NVIDIA tweaks. No USB Yoke/devices. No TrackIR. I guess if nothing else works I can try ditching my keyboard, mouse and monitor. lol

[40track 80]

1 hour ago, Spam3d said:

Are people reverting BIOS and clocks back to default and testing, because my system at OC CPU was throwing CTDs, but only in FS2020, BF5 and other titles were just fine.

Yup went to 4.7 from 5.3 achieved via disabling turbo boost but setting multiplier @47 Do this with good a good cooler. This stopped even P3D from throwing a CTD every 3 minutes. 11900k. Maybe CPU or MOBO not taking it. Not only that the joystick fixed itself after downclocking. Think Its a silicon lottery thing to achieve these awesome numbers. 

Edited September 20, 2021 by 40track

[Noel 4,499]

12 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Maybe RTSS and MSFS dev mode use different calcs, but not sure. I am running bone stock config file for MSFS and only really limit FPS in the NVIDIA control panel. Not turning anything else up, but the settings in MSFS are all Ultra except the screen refresh (Low) at the bottom. Beats me, but I don't think MSFS is pushing my system at all. 

Of note, I do have LOD set to 300, and really should change that to 400, and this affects VRAM in use for sure.