Have to say I've been sitting on the fence and missed the original sale as well.  Negative comments about wonky approach behaviour sometimes and pitch issues kept me from committing.  Positive comments seen so far in this thread are now suggested it is a well done plane.

 

40 minutes ago, ctalpas said:

Have to say I've been sitting on the fence and missed the original sale as well.  Negative comments about wonky approach behaviour sometimes and pitch issues kept me from committing.  Positive comments seen so far in this thread are now suggested it is a well done plane.

 

It is a very well designed plane/system, and I have yet to have a bad flight with it, I.e. it is only as good as the input.  Please consider the role of a real regional jet, they go up, fly relatively short plans, and may or may not land at airports with a STAR.  The fidelity of the plane is extremely good.  The various comments you read saying it isn’t this or isn’t that are far from my experience.  We do have experts here like @JRBarrett that actually understand what the plane is supposed to do, and it appears to me that the sim version meets his approval.  It meets my approval for what that may be worth having been a passenger in the real thing for many hundreds of hours in my business travel.

Enjoy your purchase, read the manuals, watch  the excellent video series by “The Dude” on you tube and you will master this in no time.

Additionally consider using Navigraph to be current on AIRAC cycles, and use Simbrief to make and import plans. I couldn’t fly without these to be honest. 
 

Finally, this matter of it not importing plans from MSFS, PFFFT..who cares.  I alter my plans to match Simbrief and it is most realistic that way.

good luck!

Edited October 6, 20214 yr by FrankR409
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50 minutes ago, ctalpas said:

Have to say I've been sitting on the fence and missed the original sale as well.  Negative comments about wonky approach behaviour sometimes and pitch issues kept me from committing.  Positive comments seen so far in this thread are now suggested it is a well done plane.

 

It does appear to be a well done plane, in my limited exposure thus far.  The pitch issues, despite the replies after the one where I brought them up indicating it's a MSFS issue, are more pronounced than any I have seen in any plane, so it is not just a matter of sims being more sensitive than actual aircraft.  But that has really been my only big issue, and this is not insurmountable, and does not keep it from being a good choice.  I'm still learning the intricacies if the systems, but I am happy I got it.

 

Edited October 6, 20214 yr by Sigwolf
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2 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Until the Working Title devs at Asobo do a complete overhaul of the default MSFS flight planner, (which is slated to happen sometime in 2022), I doubt very much that upcoming high-end realistic add-ons like the PMDG 737 or Fenix A320 will be able to directly import plans from the default flight planner either - and probably for the same reason that the CRJ cannot (at present).

Makes sense but how is it that the default 787-10 w/ the HD mod can use the MSFS planner and import Simbrief plans, SIDS/STARS/ILS Approaches w/ transitions are selectable in the FMC, and ultimately behave pretty much the same as the PMDG NGXu did in P3D.  What would be different in a different planner than what you see below, if you will?

51 minutes ago, Noel said:

Makes sense but how is it that the default 787-10 w/ the HD mod can use the MSFS planner and import Simbrief plans, SIDS/STARS/ILS Approaches w/ transitions are selectable in the FMC, and ultimately behave pretty much the same as the PMDG NGXu did in P3D.  What would be different in a different planner than what you see below, if you will?

The default 787, like all default MSFS aircraft, was designed from the beginning to work with the default planner, (including its current limitations). Adding Simbrief functionality is not that difficult. The CRJ can import Simbrief plans as well, because Simbrief will create flight plans in the specific format the CRJ requires. Simbrief “knows” the exact coding required for dozens of different popular add-on aircraft, and it will also create FP files in the (current) MSFS format.

The problem with the CRJ is that the FMS was coded to work as closely as possible to the real Rockwell Collins FMS4200, using the actual FMS technical documentation. It recognizes all 23 ARINC-424 leg types, and expects flight plans to be formatted in a very specific way - especially for transitions into and out of SIDS and STARS and for approaches. There is simply (at present) too many things missing or not correctly formatted in the FP files produced by the existing MSFS flight planner. That is not the case with flight plans created by Simbrief.

Most of the CRJ FMS code predates MSFS by many years, as it comes from the P3D version. To make it compatible with the limited FP data produced by the default MSFS planner would require changing most of its core functionality.

I assume this same issue would affect any already existing “study level” aircraft with an FMS coded to work like the “real thing” and which uses a custom nav database.

Even the WT-modified CJ-4, which is based on the default aircraft, has “outgrown” the limited default planner. Proper procedure with the mod is to either import a Simbrief flight plan, or to build the FP in the FMS (as would be done in the real aircraft). It does have the ability to “sync” (export) a FP to the default planner (mainly so ATC services will be available), but the user manual states that this may not always work well because the default planner is “fragile” in its current implementation.

But, this will definitely change for the better when WT overhauls the default flight planner. Based on what they have already done with the new custom flight planner in the NXi, I have every confidence that the default planner will eventually produce FP files compatible with any advanced third-party add-on aircraft.
 

31 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

But, this will definitely change for the better when WT overhauls the default flight planner. Based on what they have already done with the new custom flight planner in the NXi, I have every confidence that the default planner will eventually produce FP files compatible with any advanced third-party add-on aircraft.

Thank you for the clear explanation.   I'm not knowledgeable enough to know the difference between the limited plans coming out of the MSFS planner, though I do notice the procedures delineated in LittleNavMap do not always jive perfectly with what the options in the 787-10 HD FMS are, but they do match sometimes, and ultimately I get from A to B in similar fashion.  So I will probably be patient and see how it goes w/ WT's overhaul and decide then.  If it turns out they don't get there to allow the more authentic FMS' to function correctly I will just go w/ Simbrief or manually input plans using LittleNavMap's procedures.  Fortunately, I'm not clamoring for something new quite yet as I'm still enjoying the heck out of what I already have still, after 13.5 months using only 3 default planes.  

Simbrief is free and relatively straight forward to use. You need to create a Navigraph account but do not have to subscribe to Navigraph just have a free account. When you go to the Simbrief website it steps you through it.

About 10-20  minutes watching YouTube videos is enough to learn the basics and be able to create CRJ  flight plans. Creating the plan itself is quick  and you then just drop it in whatever folder the CRJ is watching on your system (you can even do this with the game running) and then after you spawn in the CRJ you just load them with a couple of button presses in the FMS.

Basic Simbrief flight plans are not rocket science and you do not really need to avoid doing them.  Yes there optionally is much much more to it that you can, optionally, delve into if you want, but just a basic flight plan to just get from A to B is pretty simple to learn how to generate and load.

Edited October 7, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Thanks Glenn, I used Simbrief with the HD 787-10 mod, but not long ago they added the capability to use the MSFS Planner, and I prefer keeping things lean and clean.  I'm in no hurry to spend $50 either because as I say I'm quite content at the moment, and will very likely purchase the NG3 before another new plane.  My habit is to use just a few planes but what I really miss is FSCaptain, which is stuck unable to progress sufficiently due the MSFS SDK and shortage of LVARs they need to develop it properly.

On 10/5/2021 at 10:23 AM, Noel said:

That is what I was pointing out from other comments here:  the CRJ does not load plans from the MSFS planner, whereas the freeware HD 787-10 mod does both the MSFS planner and Simbrief, which is bizarre to me. 

Thats a good thing.. To bad Aerosoft dropped the ball with there planes.