3 hours ago, Maxis said:

Build is similar to mine .. the 3070ti should be a proper step up just above the 2080ti. At the resolution you plan to run it should be more than enough.

Sure wish you got a 3080 though.. that would have been the best match.

Enjoy!

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3070-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti/4083vs4027

1 hour ago, BIGSKY said:

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3070-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti/4083vs4027

 

Are you trying to troll me ?

Sorry but i dont accept results from userbenchmark. Actual gameplay benchmarks are most appropriate and as the previous poster found out and corrected his post  .. in real world gameplay you end up with a net +2 increase in framerate for MSFS over an RTX 2080ti.

Surprised so many people are still using user benchmark when its so mired in controversy. Then again im not surprised.. but i wont go further on that tangent.

And there's tons more reviews where that came from ..  If you had posted something from 3dMark timespy or Port Royal (for raytracing) then you would have had a leg to stand on. A synthetic one .. but better than the nothingness of user benchmark.

If you think their information is relevant have at it.. just don't expect me to accept it. I dismiss that benchmark out of hand once it gets mentioned by someone who isn't aware that their bench process skew results. The very mention of their name results in an auto notification or bans warning about the validity of their benchmarks on three major hardware reddit forums and  and the developers are confrontational and opaque when questioned as to why their results are so skewed..

 

Edited October 12, 20214 yr by Maxis

Running a 3070ti with a 9900K on 1440p screen, 32MB Ram , NVME HDD.

With generic ULTRA settings FPS sits between 70 and 85 in remote areas and drops to maybe 35 to 40-ish in dense really busy areas.

I was originally concerned about only having 8GB  VRAM but since SU5 it never uses even the full 8GB at 1440p .

The biggest difference with the 3070ti for me is the massive improvement in ray traced games with DLSS - but MSFS is not currently using DLSS or Ray Tracing and may not for some time.

 

Edited October 12, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

3 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Running a 3070ti with a 9900K on 1440p screen, 32MB Ram , NVME HDD.

With generic ULTRA settings FPS sits between 70 and 85 in remote areas and drops to maybe 35 to 40-ish in dense really busy areas.

I was originally concerned about only having 8GB  VRAM but since SU5 it never uses even the full 8GB at 1440p .

The biggest difference with the 3070ti for me is the massive improvement in ray traced games with DLSS - but MSFS is not currently using DLSS or Ray Tracing and may not for some time.

 

My concern isn't the 8Gb today but the 8Gb with DX12...  The shift to DX12 seems to have hammered the GPU memory in P3D and I'm expecting to see the same in MSFS.  In fact it's the only reason I prefer a 3090 to a 3080ti but can't justify the price delta.  I just have concerns over 8GB GPU memory when the DX12 update hits...

2 hours ago, psolk said:

My concern isn't the 8Gb today but the 8Gb with DX12...  The shift to DX12 seems to have hammered the GPU memory in P3D and I'm expecting to see the same in MSFS.  In fact it's the only reason I prefer a 3090 to a 3080ti but can't justify the price delta.  I just have concerns over 8GB GPU memory when the DX12 update hits...

Oh the old stories... That problem was specific to P3D, it's not a general issue with DX12. The point about DX12 is that the programming is closer to the hardware, and memory management is up to the developer, it is no longer handled automatically by DirectX. P3D took the easy route and kept all the textures in VRAM that may be during a flight, leading to the notorious out of memory errors. Most modern games use a more advanced texture streaming approach that unloads textures whenever more GPU memory i needed. Modern games run just fine on DX12, using the same amount (or in some cases even less) of VRAM as with DX11.

We know scenery streaming to GPU works on MSFS, because that's exactly what caused the scenery loading slowly after panning - they had to get the VRAM usage below 6GB (?) for Xbox which already runs DX12 with VERY constrained VRAM, and they achieved this by unloading all the scenery that isn't visible on screen. With the new slider for "Off screen terrain pre-caching" we now have a way to adjust this for the larger RAM sizes on modern graphics cards. 

Edited October 12, 20214 yr by pstrub

4 minutes ago, pstrub said:

Oh the old stories... That problem was specific to P3D, it's not a general issue with DX12. The point about DX12 is that the programming is closer to the hardware, and memory management is up to the developer, it is no longer handled automatically by DirectX. P3D took the easy route and kept all the textures in VRAM that may be during a flight, leading to the notorious out of memory errors. Most modern games use a more advanced texture streaming approach that unloads textures whenever more GPU memory i needed. Modern games run just fine on DX12, using the same amount (or in some cases even less) of VRAM as with DX11.

We know scenery streaming to GPU works on MSFS, because that's exactly what caused the scenery loading slowly after panning - they had to get the VRAM usage below 6GB (?) for Xbox which already runs DX12 with VERY constrained VRAM, and they achieved this by unloading all the scenery that isn't visible on screen. With the new slider for "Off screen terrain pre-caching" we now have a way to adjust this for the larger RAM sizes on modern graphics cards. 

Interesting!  I actually did not realize it was a P3D thing not a DX12 thing, thank you for that!  That actually eliminates the need for a 3090 altogether making the 3080ti probably the strongest card for flightsim on the market... I can now take the 3090 off my Newegg shuffle selections and focus on 3080ti's thanks to you!  

3 minutes ago, psolk said:

Interesting!  I actually did not realize it was a P3D thing not a DX12 thing, thank you for that!  That actually eliminates the need for a 3090 altogether making the 3080ti probably the strongest card for flightsim on the market... I can now take the 3090 off my Newegg shuffle selections and focus on 3080ti's thanks to you!  

Also the rumoured 12GB 3080 Super

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/RTX-3080-super-release-date-price-specs-benchmark

 

 

1 minute ago, psolk said:

Interesting!  I actually did not realize it was a P3D thing not a DX12 thing, thank you for that!  That actually eliminates the need for a 3090 altogether making the 3080ti probably the strongest card for flightsim on the market... I can now take the 3090 off my Newegg shuffle selections and focus on 3080ti's thanks to you!  

Keep in mind though I'm not saying that 12GB will be enough in all situations, I'm just saying the DX12 issues of P3D probably won't happen in MSFS. The 24GB of the 3090 still might come in handy when the add-ons get more complex. I have a Radeon 6700XT, and I've seen MSFS use around 11 GB out of my card's 12GB (running a 3840x1600 resolution). However, Nvidia cards seem to be a bit more memory efficient than AMD GPUs, so they may get along a bit better with 12GB of VRAM. 

 

2 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Also the rumoured 12GB 3080 Super

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/RTX-3080-super-release-date-price-specs-benchmark

 

 

By the time supply chain has normalized the 4k cards will be out anyway 😞

Just now, pstrub said:

Keep in mind though I'm not saying that 12GB will be enough in all situations, I'm just saying the DX12 issues of P3D probably won't happen in MSFS. The 24GB of the 3090 still might come in handy when the add-ons get more complex. I have a Radeon 6700XT, and I've seen MSFS use around 11 GB out of my card's 12GB (running a 3840x1600 resolution). However, Nvidia cards seem to be a bit more memory efficient than AMD GPUs, so they may get along a bit better with 12GB of VRAM. 

 

Thanks @pstrub appreciate the input.  I think for right now I'm sticking with my 2080ti/GSync unless I can get a 3080ti at MSRP while I keep an eye on the "Super" cards. 

Wish I could find a 3070(Ti) at some sort of reasonable price. Though the 1070Ti is still going strong and surprisingly well in MSFS,  a 3070 would be a very welcome addition. Like many, I’ve been looking for a year already and still very difficult to find.

Edited October 12, 20214 yr by NismoRR

1 hour ago, NismoRR said:

Wish I could find a 3070(Ti) at some sort of reasonable price. Though the 1070Ti is still going strong and surprisingly well in MSFS,  a 3070 would be a very welcome addition. Like many, I’ve been looking for a year already and still very difficult to find.

Ive lucked out a couple times. 

Original build was a 3700x and a 2080Super  got both 5900x and 6800xt from Newegg Shuffle around late January early February @msrp before it got crazy with everyone entering.

Had to build a PC for my Little brother in Jamaica 2-3 weeks ago. Got all the parts except the graphics card and the Shuffle was not giving me any luck. So we settled on us basically having a 2-3 month wait. I so happened to have a cycling  event (6Gap) in Georgia that i had planned to attend. Decided at the last minute to hit up Microcenter just outside of Atlanta on a Saturday morning for a special Lian Li anti sag bracket that was hard to find but i knew they had. Realized that i was way early and no one was there. Then i saw cars coming and parking. Then it dawned on me "hold on 1 sec?? Microcenter may have GPU stock!!!".. jumped out of the car and stood at the door.

Sure enough .. they had a whole bunch of cards ranging from 3090 all the way down to 3060ti and above all .. at non scalper prices ... Never whipped out a credit card so fast !! ..

Edited October 12, 20214 yr by Maxis

I will skip the 30 series and wait for the next generation, my 2080Ti will serve me good enough for the time being.

Good stuff to know everyone. I missed the 11GB of RAM on the 1080 Ti. I could keep my 2080 longer but I just want something newer as its slowly dying lol. That and I do play a lot of games with RT but the FPS drops are horrendous with it on. My friends 3070 Ti gets 120 FPS with same settings as me where I get 40. I may still get a 3080 if I can find one soon enough and flip the 3070 Ti but we will see. I was looking at a super but the fact that I was able to find this 3070 Ti at "only" $$350 over MSRP new direct from a manufacturer was awesome. Sucks because the same friend got the same card from ZOTAC about 3 months ago for $850, but at that time, I was holding out for a 3080. The artifacts are getting worse so figure its only a matter of time now.

Edited October 12, 20214 yr by M3Stang