2 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

I was just commenting what you reported the FSLabs position was on this matter, Ray. It is a bit surprising but this their bottom line after all.

 

It will be easier to have a discussion about Concorde and MSFS once FSL make a public announcement. Speaking personally I doubt a MSFS version would be a huge seller because the price would put off all but the very dedicated. Certainly not one for the Xbox gamer.

13 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 

It will be easier to have a discussion about Concorde and MSFS once FSL make a public announcement. Speaking personally I doubt a MSFS version would be a huge seller because the price would put off all but the very dedicated. Certainly not one for the Xbox gamer.

 

I don't really agree, a much wider audience means you can lower the price quite a bit.

When you see the amount of money spent by Xbox gamer on DLC and Loot box, it can be a good market.

26 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It will be easier to have a discussion about Concorde and MSFS once FSL make a public announcement. Speaking personally I doubt a MSFS version would be a huge seller because the price would put off all but the very dedicated. Certainly not one for the Xbox gamer.

The sales of a Concorde on P3D will be less than MSFS though, at all the same price points.  Even for the "hardcore" simmer market, MSFS has more "hardcore" simmers.  

If you consider that the "hardcore" simmers are the simmers that are most likely to purchase Navigraph, MSFS simply has more "hardcore" simmers than P3D, based on the Navigraph survey from last year:

 

And you can bet the number of "hardcore" simmers that have switched to MSFS from P3D since this Navigraph survey have increased, not decreased.

It doesn't matter if FSLabs prices their Concorde at $100, $150, $200, or whatever.  No matter the price point that FSLabs puts their Concorde at, there will still be a larger market for the Concorde in MSFS than P3D.

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by abrams_tank

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 

 . Speaking personally I doubt a MSFS version would be a huge seller because the price would put off all but the very dedicated. Certainly not one for the Xbox gamer.

You might be ever so slightly prejudiced here , Ray 🤣.

Where does a lot of MSFS simmers come from if not from a sim supposed to be for "dedicated" simmers, Prepar3d. And do you think that all the new comers are cheapskate Xbox gamers ? I expect now anytime somebody jumping in telling us that that MSFS is only a VFR simulator for sightseeing anyway so no Concorde !  

Come on, lets get out of worn-out clichés.

But, beyond that, at the end of the day , even, if only 1% very dedicated simmers are interested by the FSL product, and I agree with you here, 1% of a  very large market will be always more than 1% from a much smaller one, isn't it ? Arithmetic rules.

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

Lets leave all this discussion until FSL make an announcement shall we? I'm happy to discuss things when the future is clearer.

One question I would have in MSFS for supersonic flight is the weather model at high altitudes.  You really need somewhat accurate ISA temps at Concorde cruise levels to properly simulate the cruise climb performance and fuel use.  Looking forward to what FSL has to say on this, although they are not the most communicative bunch so who knows when we will hear anything.

3 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

You might be ever so slightly prejudiced here , Ray 🤣.

Where does a lot of MSFS simmers come from if not from a sim supposed to be for "dedicated" simmers, Prepar3d. And do you think that all the new comers are cheapskate Xbox gamers ? I expect now anytime somebody jumping in telling us that that MSFS is only a VFR simulator for sightseeing anyway so no Concorde !  

Come on, lets get out of worn-out clichés.

Not prejudiced in the slightest. But when you have a flight sim working that gives very few problems why on earth would I want to jump into one that is far from finished? I have to keep P3Dv5 installed otherwise I won't have Concorde.

How you describe MSFS is exactly how I would use it when / if I eventually buy it. Not worn-out chiches, just an opinion.

3 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

But, beyond that, at the end of the day , even, if only 1% very dedicated simmers are interested by the FSL product, and I agree with you here, 1% of a  very large market will be always more than 1% from a much smaller one, isn't it ? Arithmetic rules.

You're assuming FSL will make Concorde for MSFS. They have said no such thing. I just don't see it ever making it to MSFS. So sales numbers are immaterial. Their main income earner is from the Airbus fleet and with competitors to that who knows what they'll do. Still waiting for an announcement.

BTW, I assume that you and others who have discussed Concorde will be buying it for P3D v4/5. Otherwise, why the interest?

6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

they have said there will only be one 64-bit version of Concorde

Yep! MSFS...😎

Seriously now, a good number of us - including myself - answered YES emphatically, AND sincerely, to a survey organised by FSLab a few years ago (I cannot remember exactly when), but since then many jumped ship and abandoned P3D, hence I am sure FSLab does not count anymore on this survey as a reliable revenue projection...! Only they can decide if they want to pursue a vanishing market or tackle a growing new one.

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by Bernard Ducret

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 

It will be easier to have a discussion about Concorde and MSFS once FSL make a public announcement. Speaking personally I doubt a MSFS version would be a huge seller because the price would put off all but the very dedicated. Certainly not one for the Xbox gamer.

Microsoft Flight Simulator not only has a massively larger userbase than any other simulator on the market (combined), but also does a much better job of promoting its addons among that userbase. 

No matter how one (likely wrongly) thinks that userbase as casual, its sheer mass alone guarantees higher sales of pretty much any addon. Spending power isn't determined only by dedication. 

Another supersonic aircraft of some repute is the SR-71.

Right now the Milviz SR-71 for MSFS has a complete, textured exterior model and the interior model is complete and is being textured.  We anticipate that texture work will be done in January.  Serious, intense development on the systems and flight model will begin at that point.  It will not be a simplified version.  Every system and control in the real thing will work authentically and we have a former SR-71 pilot to help keep us straight. It'll be 100% custom code.  The flight model will also be custom because we don't believe the current MSFS flight model can accurately reproduce the unique characteristics of the SR.  Top speed is about Mach 3.4 before it gets too hot to go faster, depending on atmospheric conditions.  Top altitude is about 88,000 feet, again depending.

Unless we run into major unanticipated hitches it'll be ready sometime in the summer of 2022.  That's not a promise, it's a target.
 

5 minutes ago, Dutch727 said:

Another supersonic aircraft of some repute is the SR-71.
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Unless we run into major unanticipated hitches it'll be ready sometime in the summer of 2022.  That's not a promise, it's a target.
 

Thank you for the timeline, Charles. 

10 minutes ago, Dutch727 said:

Every system and control in the real thing will work authentically and we have a former SR-71 pilot to help keep us straight. It'll be 100% custom code. 

Awesome to hear, I am really looking forward for this one

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

Microsoft Flight Simulator not only has a massively larger userbase than any other simulator on the market (combined), but also does a much better job of promoting its addons among that userbase. 

No matter how one (likely wrongly) thinks that userbase as casual, its sheer mass alone guarantees higher sales of pretty much any addon. Spending power isn't determined only by dedication. 

Anything sold through the Microsoft ‘shop’ costs more than buying direct I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong. That could make it very expensive because I doubt FSL are going to slash their prices. I predict a modest reduction for the Airbuses - more if already bought for P3D.

But before that happens there has to be a Concorde for MSFS. You don’t need to persuade me. You should tell FSL. But don’t you imagine they’ve already thought about this for the last 2+ years? Given they’ve been working on a P3D version on and off for four years I don’t see that work being abandoned.

I’m sure anyone here who’s been discussing Concorde is interested in buying it. You must already have a licence for P3D v4/5 so why not reinstall it when it’s available for that sim?

Most Concorde flights cross oceans so the scenery becomes pretty irrelevant. This aircraft demands your attention like no other. You won’t be looking out of the window much.

1 hour ago, Bernard Ducret said:

Seriously now, a good number of us - including myself - answered YES emphatically, AND sincerely, to a survey organised by FSLab a few years ago (I cannot remember exactly when), but since then many jumped ship and abandoned P3D, hence I am sure FSLab does not count anymore on this survey as a reliable revenue projection...! Only they can decide if they want to pursue a vanishing market or tackle a growing new one.

Yes, I remember the survey. Probably 4 years ago when they first announced a 64-bit version.

Is there a rule saying you are only allowed one simulator on your PC? 😉

Why not reinstall P3D when Concorde is available? If you’re going to wait for a MSFS version you may be in for a very long wait. And that’s if you’re lucky.

11 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Anything sold through the Microsoft ‘shop’ costs more than buying direct I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong. That could make it very expensive because I doubt FSL are going to slash their prices. I predict a modest reduction for the Airbuses - more if already bought for P3D.

But before that happens there has to be a Concorde for MSFS. You don’t need to persuade me. You should tell FSL. But don’t you imagine they’ve already thought about this for the last 2+ years? Given they’ve been working on a P3D version on and off for four years I don’t see that work being abandoned.

 

Anything sold through any shop costs a percentage to the developer, whether it's the MSFS official store, Simmarket, Orbx, Aerosoft, or anything else. Savvy developers eat that cost because they know reaching that audience is worth it. 

But I've long given up telling developers they need to get a move onto MSFS. The vast majority that's business savvy already did. Those who didn't at least start working on it are beyond salvation by now. Others are gonna eat their lunch.  

11 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

’m sure anyone here who’s been discussing Concorde is interested in buying it. You must already have a licence for P3D v4/5 so why not reinstall it when it’s available for that sim?

Most Concorde flights cross oceans so the scenery becomes pretty irrelevant. This aircraft demands your attention like no other. You won’t be looking out of the window much.

P3D is obsolete not only for scenery. Its flight decks look as unsightly in comparison nowadays as its scenery does. Not everyone is willing to put up with technology from 2010 in 2021, nor to keep a simulator installed and supported with expensive addons to make it even remotely viable when its developer (LM) hasn't done anything to keep it relevant in years. 

Edited November 18, 20214 yr by Abriael