1 minute ago, greggerm said:

A famous example of a "tight fit" (C-17 at Peter O. Knight Field after its mistaken landing nine years ago...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=805M1svwp_8

 

 

This is little bit different. This an accident. I was referring for normal ops.

1 minute ago, Krakin said:

So you're knocking the sim because you have some skill? Have you visited the Kodiak threads recently? Because I see a lot of folks in there asking for help with flying the thing since it's characteristics are so realistic.

 

I definitely agree about the Kodiak. It's been my most crashed plane so far. 

As for game vs sim; the hall sensors in my Cessna joystick seem to be playing up and the clamps keep coming off the wooden desk in the cockpit. Plus I also only seem to have one windscreen, the visibility has a tendency to drop to zero but comes back when I give the Cessna cockpit mouse a shake.

15 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Please let me know when you guys have that Area fixed and ill get it at that point. 

Thanks

Ditto!

 

 

50 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

A piece of software that attempts to replicate real world activities can be as realistic as the person operating it desires.

You beat me to it.  Any sim/game/whatever is what you make of it.

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by regis9

With the way the world is now , a little escape from reality for me is very helpful . I enjoyed the heck out of that video .

3 hours ago, Lange_666 said:

Now turn it around and take off again...

That's what slew is for.  🙃

ns

So, a sim is not meant to replace real life. I have flown MANY real life Level D training sims. Full motion sims, no motion sims. You can screw around in them too. You can fly under a bridge. You can try wild short landings. Sometimes it works out. Sims are meant to help you with procedures, flows, and in the case of MSFS, its fun! Its fun to take in the scenery, and operate aircraft in as realistic a way as is possible. Will it feel like the real deal? No... there is no feeling at all. But it sure is fun, and for me personally can come in handy when I want to practice an instrument flight or otherwise before I try it in real life. 

MSFS is what you do with it. And it's something we should celebrate. Gamers, young simmers, old simmers, hard core simmers, coders, designers, developpers, multiplayers, solo players... the list is long.

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by vbazillio

Sims are meant to be fun. If you believe it's real life you need help!

2 hours ago, Rudiii said:

I much prefer the above Serious Simulators which are specifically designed to be Serious Simulators where no one has ever done anything that isn't in the realm of a Serious Simulator.

Yeah, in fact I wrote in the past that IMHO all of them are just computer games. Calling them simulators looks like an attempt to justify to our wives (and ourselves) why, at 40+ yo we are still gaming 🙂

1 hour ago, Steve Dra said:

A piece of software that attempts to replicate real world activities can be as realistic as the person operating it desires. 

 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

Actually it's common thing with many small airports. Big jet can land but unable to take off!

I doubt that a 747 can stop in 650 m... also, wasn't it supposed to stall and fall into the water at  less than 100 knots?

Instead it continued to climb for many seconds between 100 and 90 knots (look between 0:37 and 0:45).

Come on, I am not saying I expect MSFS to be a real simulator, but certain basic numeric parameters of the flight model should be respected.

6 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

Yeah, in fact I wrote in the past that IMHO all of them are just computer games. Calling them simulators looks like an attempt to justify to our wives (and ourselves) why, at 40+ yo we are still gaming 🙂

So VERY TRUE ! Justify to ourselves actually...

Just imagine me now playing ww2 air combat... How realistic / useful ...

That being said, some good years ago I recorded a landing of the PMDG 747 @ LPCS rw 35 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ermIWKskJQQ

 

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by Anatoli-Kagari9

2 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

I doubt that a 747 can stop in 650 m... also, wasn't it supposed to stall and fall into the water at  less than 100 knots?

Instead it continued to climb for many seconds between 100 and 90 knots (look between 0:37 and 0:45).

Yep, I noticed that, too. Then again, you can't expect faithful systems in a default model of any simulator. I remember that the default 737 in FSX used about twice as much fuel than the real airplane, and when I tried the default 737 in X-Plane many years ago, it felt more like a Cessna. 

Having said that, you now can get great aircraft for both of these simulators. More choice will come to MSFS as well. For now, just enjoy how difficult it is to start the engines of the PMDG DC-6 in cold weather. They really simulate that the oil gets thicker etc. 🙂

Peter

2 hours ago, Rudiii said:

I much prefer the above Serious Simulators which are specifically designed to be Serious Simulators

Don't kid yourself. X-plane feel and mechanics are still a game compared to RL or "serious" sims...

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by DylanM

4 minutes ago, DylanM said:

Don't kid yourself. X-plane feel and mechanics are still a game compared to RL or "serious" sims...

I am kidding. Not sure about kidding myself, however.

40 minutes ago, jpe828 said:

So, a sim is not meant to replace real life. I have flown MANY real life Level D training sims. Full motion sims, no motion sims. You can screw around in them too. You can fly under a bridge. You can try wild short landings. Sometimes it works out. Sims are meant to help you with procedures, flows, and in the case of MSFS, its fun! Its fun to take in the scenery, and operate aircraft in as realistic a way as is possible. Will it feel like the real deal? No... there is no feeling at all. But it sure is fun, and for me personally can come in handy when I want to practice an instrument flight or otherwise before I try it in real life. 

How dare you? I have flown the FWB A320 numerous times and i am adding plane captain to my LinkedIn curriculum!

 

Jokes aside, you are absolutely right.