1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

dismissing valid criticism is not how products grow to be better. 

Great statement!  Could not agree more!  I see a lot of arguments in this thread. Rather than siding here or there, this time it is time to find agreement.  And I agree with Rob.  The nature and character of this quoted comment from Rob settles most of those arguments.

For all that it offers, MSFS, even in its current state, has a great deal of room to grow better. Easily if embraced.  Much of that room includes inviting in some qualities that pre-existed MSFS, and then some new qualities that seem to currently be held back. Held back by design, or held back by ignoring what they could contribute. Held back is just that, held back.

Edited January 7, 20224 yr by fppilot

2 hours ago, Maxis said:

This may be the unpopular opinion but I'm still willing to wait for Asobo to sort this aspect of the sim exclusively.

how long  are you prepared to wait  for the  fixes

4 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

how long  are you prepared to wait  for the  fixes

I'll give them another couple of months..

The sim is not the only thing happening in my life. If stuff isn't working I simply don't use it and do other things.

2 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

ignoring the reality of those that don’t like what they see … just accept it and appreciate it?  

Ok, let’s wait another year to see how the weather engine evolves … really?

To me that is like watching a master painter develop a painting, or a builder building a new home, and when half-finished one exclaims they don't like what they see.  'Wait another year' seems pretty hyperbolic when really the bulk of the focus on the current state of major weather deterioration in MSFS has only been upon us for less than 2 months now.  Shortly after the first stab at METAR integration many were ready to dial back because straight MB was better, cloud depiction better, and so forth.  Just seems terribly premature especially in the context of the time of year, omicron, to draw any kind of inferences as to how long it will take them to improve on weather substantially.  I think we will see substantial progress in the next 3-4 months tops as far as significant weather improvement comes and that because it's such a big deal to get very right as they are doing w/ scenery and lighting and performance.  I'm very stoked to see how XP12 does w/ their volumetric cloud implementation and I hope they have incredible success there.  For me, if they don't nail cloud depiction, morphology relative to meteorological forces, better integration of METAR w/ global I will definitely be looking to XP-12.  Unfortunately what I saw in the Nov preview video looked just like MSFS' largely 'cauliflower' architecture and could easily have been MSFS, though their shills claim what's coming will be much better, and we certainly hope they're right.

12 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

Wow!

Another thread starting with reasoning and questioning and degrading into insults.

Who's the mob then?

Yeah ... the flak was pretty fast this time .....

11 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I wouldn't have a problem paying a fee for a service that is first-rate quality and reliable.

For a service that is first-rate quality and reliable. Well said.

Too bad it is not the case with MSFS.

Also: too bad they already took our money.

A.

3 hours ago, Maxis said:

This may be the unpopular opinion but I'm still willing to wait for Asobo to sort this aspect of the sim exclusively.

So you want to take it off the hands of Microsoft. I second that. Asobo alone would do a great work, I am sure. Too bad this is not going to happen.

A.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Occam's Razor strikes again 🤔

Seriously all I've ever seen and expected is an aggressive work in progress.  That the last few months turned that pace down a few notches seems absolutely predictable given the pace of development thusfar and the holiday season being upon us.  My sense is the next 4-6 months will be very telling for where the sim is headed.  I'm definitely keeping an eye on XP-12 for if n when, but for now there are no indicators, funky weather notwithstanding, suggesting Asobo won't be back on target developing for dual platforms, or maybe 3 now w/ PS5.  It continues to behoove MS to support the PC side because the mindset using PCs I sense are by far the most durable and become a base for their Marketplace content.

I am afraid they found out that their competitive advantage lies with the scenery. Flying over your own house sells a lot to the general public, and who cares if you can land a 747-400 at Saba due to a, let's say, arguable flight model.

I think they decided that their best investment now is horizontal (many platforms, maybe ps5 included) and who cares about passionate simmers who would like some reality-oriented improvement, and an open SDK for third parties to work in depth on some aspects of the sim.

That's why I am not buying anything for this sim.

A.

I could not bear to have a product that is not the one they have sold me. Thank goodness I have real air traffic thanks to PSX seecon traffic and realtraffic software, and luckily I have a good a320 thanks to Flybywire simulations, and luckily I have high variety in clouds thanks to ...

Edited January 8, 20224 yr by abranpuko

Pretty sure the sim is still using Meteoblue's data in areas that METAR doesn't cover. And probably when the METAR is more than an a couple hours old.

My Local airport hasn't had a METAR update in 3 hours, the sim is reporting there's no METAR data, but is rendering weather accurate to what I can see outside my window, but not accurate to the last METAR report. Wind direction matches Windy/Meteoblue, though speed doesn't, but speed rarely matches what it says.

 

  

5 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Yes!!  MS seem to struggle with giving up control because I guess they think they can do it better?  So many more resource MS could leverage but don't ... shame.

Cheers, Rob.

No, because of copyright and IP stuff relating to Meteoblue.

They've explained it before.

Edited January 8, 20224 yr by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, ADamiani said:

who cares about passionate simmers who would like some reality-oriented improvement, and an open SDK for third parties to work in depth on some aspects of the sim

They stated publicly they would not abandon 'hardcore simmers'.  Seems too early to write that statement off just because they also are developing the console side as well. I always advocated dual pathways so when launched the hardware mode is detected and OS loaded that utilizes it.  I can't see why having two very close pathways but with some modest differences would be all that hard to support, and as I say there is probably enough Marketplace sales from the PC side to support it going forward, and some console users will move on to PC.  

13 hours ago, Watsi said:

I actually do wonder, how long MS is planning to provide all these online features for free. Multiplayer, live traffic, live weather, scenery data. Checking my MSFS data consumption: this is a lot of data/traffic (having offline cache deactivated) for quite a lot of users.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the online services become a payed service at some time in the future.

('Excrement'storm ahead)

They seem to keep doubling down on it.  As it pertains to WX, IRRC, Jorg said they were buying a bigger package from METEO also.

One other thing to keep in mind, is that we haven't seen or heard what the 'new' weather system is going to be all about.  Jorg said it would blow our minds or something to that affect.

I know having to wait for all this sucks, but it is what it is; at this point.  They might as well go for broke.  No pun intended.  It seems like that's what they want to do/spend their money on.  I'm not going to complain about that.  Let them ride it all the way as far as I'm concerned.

I'm confident they'll be able to find a good way to smooth the transitions between the METARs and the forecast WX.  The short term is what was needed ASAP.  Actually, (actual visibility) should be included in that as well.  

23 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

Jorg said it would blow our minds or something to that affect

With all due respect, I can not take Joerg seriously about stuff he says during the developer Q&A. It is a big marketing fest on how great everything is and will be. He is blowing our minds since August 2020. Some aspects of the sim are really good, others seem to never get addressed....

Edited January 8, 20224 yr by Silicus

2 hours ago, ADamiani said:

So you want to take it off the hands of Microsoft. I second that. Asobo alone would do a great work, I am sure. Too bad this is not going to happen.

A.

Huh ?

What point are you even trying to make ? Apart from being unnecessarily argumentative ?

You know what ? let me not comment further because id like to keep my forum membership.

The whole irony of this is when this sim was released i was on your side .... Then i saw how absolutely NAUSEATING BOTH SIDES of the commentary have become in regards to this sim.

 

The ignore list is getting filled fast.

Edited January 8, 20224 yr by Maxis

After Xbox version release sim visuals have been degraded with every updates... Whatever you say, this is reality.