More NG3 Updates [Jan 17]

[ray hughes 165]

Just to help me clarify the latest comments - PMDG is releasing the  Base model 700 first and will charge a lower price for that than the P3D buy in which included all variations of the 737/. The BBJ 700 and Freighter versions of the 700  are considered modifications to the base airframe and will be charged as extras.?

Will the 800 require the 700 to run correctly? (ah la Capt Sim)? Or it is completely different base model and can be purchased separately without any 737 700 dependencies.? 

Observation;  Unitizing into separate model components is another way in capitalising on returns. It is a well known tactic in the corporate world. I have to say my observations of this tactic invariably offering more,  inevitably means you get less in the long run. - or the same thing previously, at a higher price.

PMDG will be hoping the end result will give more freedom to the purchaser of options available and I would agree - however, it would also dissuade me from buying anything other than the base model because that is the real saving -( if the model comes out at a lower anticipated price as per previous posts by Mr Randazzo.) 

[Fiorentoni 4,123]

27 minutes ago, MrNuke said:

So in terms of weather or not PMDG can see the actual internal weather conditions of the simulator outside of the current position of the plane
 

Except for: They can't. There is no "access point" for PMDG (or any other custom aircraft) to take any weather data out of the sim, except for the current wind sensed by the aircraft. That's why there won't be an ACARS Metar either (if you wonder: FBW A320 takes the Metars from an external source, not from the sim, for the very same reason that they cannot).

So for your other points - of course any serious pilot can get any plane down without VNAV, but this is not the point. You know how much people care about VNAV (just ask the FBW team...).

Edited January 17, 2022 by Fiorentoni

[EasternT3 74]

8 minutes ago, a321 said:

I am not knocking him at all. But what he said was pretty bad, he cant just of thought that up, he must really be feeling that. But what I find funny is nobody is sitting back and thinking is this not a red flag? No against PMDG, but what on earth is going on? One minute ASOBO are amazing, the next he is losing faith, this is the 2nd time, he also made snappy remarks at Iceman! He is on the dev qa, the DC6 is dead on XBOX...I mean its a lot!

 

I just feel like the marketing vail is starting to fall, I beleive and I think that this sim is so over represented, and so much misinformation is spread about it both good and bad, that I am starting to feel like its all a bit untreatable?

I agree with parts of your post, he probably was feeling it, all we know is something could have happened before his reply that “triggered” him, the funny thing is the original comment wasn’t part of actually part of his update, more a response to a person asking about the situation, and then after that response and a further response to me, I think that’s what a caused a more balanced response of ‘it’s not as bad it seems, Asobo are good, just we are having an issue with this item, but the issue is catastrophic for the progression of the NG3’

With regards to Iceman, he (Iceman) got the situation wrong, he posted a long comment regarding there’s no issue with the SDK, thinking PMDGs issue is the SDK when actually it’s not, could the comment from RSR be less snappy? Yes but with respect to FBW, this isn’t the first time Iceman or someone at FBW has chimed into situations and been wrong, as they did it with Aerosoft before the release of the CRJ.

But yes there’s also lots of misinformation going around and some people are using singular comments instead of looking at the entirety of the situation, I do have faith that it’ll sort itself out over the coming weeks/months and hopefully it’ll be smoothly sailing from then

[a321 207]

37 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

So in terms of weather or not PMDG can see the actual internal weather conditions of the simulator outside of the current position of the plane

Why oh why do people keep saying this absolute garbage! There is no badge of honour for hand flying your 737 for 1000nm in real life, you would probably be fired for doing so. VNAN is an important tool, yes of course a pilot should be able to get down without it, as any pilot can get down with 1 or more engines out, they can get down without the AP, but that isnt the point! Do you not watch REAL PILOTS flying the planes in Sims, do they go gee....VNAV is so lame, I need to prove I can fly without it? No they all use it to some degree. So please stop this stupid notion that Auto Pilots and flying a plane with out the automatics is some kind of honourable thing, its silly, it really is. 

 

If you want a 737 now or want a "Fly now Plane" then buy the bredook 737 and go away!

[EasternT3 74]

49 minutes ago, ray hughes said:

Just to help me clarify the latest comments - PMDG is releasing the  Base model 700 first and will charge a lower price for that than the P3D buy in which included all variations of the 737/. The BBJ 700 and Freighter versions of the 700  are considered modifications to the base airframe and will be charged as extras.?

Will the 800 require the 700 to run correctly? (ah la Capt Sim)? Or it is completely different base model and can be purchased separately without any 737 700 dependencies.? 

Observation;  Unitizing into separate model components is another way in capitalising on returns. It is a well known tactic in the corporate world. I have to say my observations of this tactic invariably offering more,  inevitably means you get less in the long run. - or the same thing previously, at a higher price.

PMDG will be hoping the end result will give more freedom to the purchaser of options available and I would agree - however, it would also dissuade me from buying anything other than the base model because that is the real saving -( if the model comes out at a lower anticipated price as per previous posts by Mr Randazzo.) 

Prices haven’t been discussed yet but from my understanding, it sounds like they’ll be 5 product lines for the 737

737-700 which includes the pax version, -700BCF and BBJ

737-800 including the pax, -800BCF and BBJ2

737-900

737-600

737 MAX (when/if that happens)

and then they’ll be other models like firefighting and military variants that’ll slot into a product line,

So if you want the -800BCF you will get the BBJ2 and -800pax all together

All the product lines are separate from each other so the -800 wouldn’t require the -700.

It’ll be interesting to see the pricing when it is released and how it works with discounts etc for multiple product lines, a bit like JF and the PA28’s

[ray hughes 165]

 

2 minutes ago, EasternT3 said:

Prices haven’t been discussed yet but from my understanding, it sounds like they’ll be 5 product lines for the 737

737-700 which includes the pax version, -700BCF and BBJ

737-800 including the pax, -800BCF and BBJ2

737-900

737-600

737 MAX (when/if that happens)

and then they’ll be other models like firefighting and military variants that’ll slot into a product line,

So if you want the -800BCF you will get the BBJ2 and -800pax all together

All the product lines are separate from each other so the -800 wouldn’t require the -700.

It’ll be interesting to see the pricing when it is released and how it works with discounts etc for multiple product lines, a bit like JF and the PA28’s

Thanks for this explanation. 

[JRBarrett 3,038]

6 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Well there is still no possibility yet to read wind data for any (custom) addon, so that means VNAV will not be precise even if it "works". Winds or no winds can make a big difference between coming down at IAF or overshoot the whole airport. I guess wind data is technically SDK, but I am not sure.

Wind data is definitely available, using the very same simconnect variables as FSX and P3D. Almost all the default MSFS aircraft have a wind display, as do add-ons like the Aerosoft CRJ.

[Sunshine13 234]

I just want PMDG to deliver the 700 and 800 version.   Just look at this topic and how it has created a buzz.  the PMDG project is alive, we all are waiting for the Boeing 737, the PMDG version.  

thanks u, hopefully soon

[Fiorentoni 4,123]

37 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Wind data is definitely available, using the very same simconnect variables as FSX and P3D. Almost all the default MSFS aircraft have a wind display, as do add-ons like the Aerosoft CRJ.

We are talking about winds aloft data for descent winds (-> VNAV forecast), not the actual active wind.

[hangar 660]

3 hours ago, FAZZ3 said:

I have a faint feeling that the only reason there was a Jan 17 update from Randazzo

I have no real clue as to what is really going on there... but if I had to guess, purely for the sake of entertainment, I'd say that Mr. R is trying to pressure Asobo into getting done what it is that he wants done, and I see this entire updating and commenting thing as his way of adding public pressure onto Asobo, which IMO isn't going his way at all right now. Perhaps Asobo has an issue with large ego's 🙂

Edited January 17, 2022 by hangar

[bendead 1,085]

Personally, I don't see myself paying the same amount of money I spent on the CRJ 550-700 and PA-28 N/A to buy the 900-1000 and turbo variant.

For those who want to get all variants including firefighting and military, that will be a very salty bill.

[JRBarrett 3,038]

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

We are talking about winds aloft data for descent winds (-> VNAV forecast), not the actual active wind.

Although you can’t extract the actual descent winds from MSFS, neither can a real 737 know the actual descent winds with certainty. (Except in certain locations on heavily-used STARS where an aircraft with the right kind of ACARS equipment can get wind reports from preceding aircraft).

The descent winds that a pilot enters into the FMS are normally from a model-based forecast, and they may not necessarily be “exact”. The predicted wind at a particular waypoint at (say) 16,000 feet might be 230 at 45 knots, but when the aircraft arrives at that location the actual wind might be 245 at 60. It depends on the particular model being used, how recent the forecast is, and multiple other factors.

Winds aloft are a particular area of interest to me. I use Simbrief on every flight I do in MSFS, and it provides predicted winds at every waypoint enroute and in descent. In the case of Simbrief, the forecast comes from the NOAA GFS model. I have found that the MeteoBlue model used in MSFS corresponds very closely to the GFS (when it comes to winds aloft speed and direction) probably 95 percent of the time. As I said, I specifically check this on every single flight I do in MSFS when using Live Weather. 

This is not surprising. Various numeric weather forecast models have their own strengths and weaknesses, but predicting upper level winds is one of the “easiest” things for any model to do because of the nature of the calculations involved, and two different models initialized at the same time, with the same input data, will often be quite close to each other at least where winds aloft are concerned.

When using ActiveSky in FSX or P3D you can fetch the “exact” wind that will be found at a particular location and altitude. This is actually unrealistic. It is an advantage that a sim pilot has that a real airline pilot typically does not have.

TL:DR Even if it is not possible in MSFS to read the exact wind other than at the the aircraft’s current location, so what? In months of testing, I am confident that LiveWeather winds aloft are almost always close enough to the GFS-based winds in my Simbrief flight plan that I could use those figures for VNAV descent wind predictions with good results.

[Mace 1,902]

4 hours ago, EasternT3 said:

Wow, so I use the wrong word accidentally and you point it out to what try and belittle me? without knowing my past and the reasons why I could use the wrong word…Thanks for reminding me why I don’t use Avsim much….

No, I wasn't belittling you, and I'm sorry if you took it that way.  I had no idea you were arguing with someone else, and are mad about that.

When I see "peaked" instead of "piqued" it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.  If I had known you were upset with someone I wouldn't have pointed it out.

That ISN'T avsim and it wouldn't matter if I were at the PMDG forum or here.  I would have pointed it out.  Now, if you can't handle that, I cant help you.

[Farlis 2,277]

8 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Well that's just fine with me. Thanks. Cattle Class with Ryanair has always seemed to me to be grim no matter the variant.😀

Ryanair only operates the 800

[Freq_flyer44 112]

13 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Ryanair only operates the 800

A simple google or knowledge of Ryanair would endow this very important tid-bit - they have a 737-700.