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MSFS + Stream Deck + Plugin + AAO + Profiles

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Hello,

Does anyone know of a beginner level tutorial that details the exact steps of the order in how add-ons and plugins, scripts need to be done in MSFS.  Right now this is extremely difficult, because each author typically only deals with their piece of the puzzle.  I'm looking for a complete 'HitchHikers Guide' that will simply describe each step, what needs to be done(assume nothing), before moving on to the next piece/file/action of software or configuration (typical) to get the desired results....

MSFS2020 > Adding a Stream Deck > Installing SD Plugins (AAO specifically) > Adding SD Profiles > Importing XML scripts, etc.

I've managed to achieve some of the above, but I still fail on getting simpe AP altitude and headings to show up on any buttons, for any profile!

What's needed is a clear and coherent written down approach to this so that simers like me, who don't fly real planes can understand clearly what is happening and can learn without chucking it all in frustration!  I can't be the only one who would benefit from something like this.  If anyone knows of such a thing whether free or for fee, please post links.  

The sophistication of MSFS is in a software league of itself.  I love the software, its capabilities - of which I'm just scratching the surface.  The first thing I wanted to do, was simply jump in a 152 and fly - perhaps a bit crudely at first.  Simple instruments at first and then evolve to more complex operations.  Not plot a flight plan and IFR flight somewhere.  There's plenty of time for that.  There needs to be some, either well-done text-based material, or better done videos that non-pilots can appreciate and learn from.   

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A few notes to those who produce YouTube videos on many of these topics...  For the love of god, please try and exercise a little more constraint with moving the mouse pointer around.  Slow it down.  Give people time to follow.  This fatal  flaw is endemic in the You Tube industry today.  I'm surprised almost no authors even recognize what's happening.  Feedback is good, but some people won't be honest about a video, and therefore the producer of the content never knows what and how to improve.

1)   Change the color of your mouse pointer to red, blue, some bright color that stands out so viewers can easily see where you are.  I was watching a video the other day on LittleNav Maps.  I have never in my life seen such a busy screen and fast movements.  Anyone, unfamiliar with the software wouldn't be any better off after watching the video.  I probably started and stopped it at least 100 times before I quit watching.  And the sad part is, this kind of video does not help the author of the software attract more users.  In fact, it will likely drive them away.  Simply inexcusable IMO.

2)   Move slower to menu options and hover for a few seconds so viewers can see where you are and more easily follow you.  Especially on the tiny icons on most software and on multiple tool bars.  I know it's second nature for all of us to zip our mouse across the screen and do something.  But if the viewers can't begin to know what you just did - what's the point?  Most of the instructional videos I've watched are horrid, because everything is moving to fast!  NO ONE CAN KEEP UP.

3)  Bring whatever microphone you use closer to your mouth, and articulate clearly.

4)  Lower the resolution of your screen when producing videos, so that objects are LARGER and easier to see by the viewer.  1080p is fine for most videos.  Please, don't use your 4K desktop to create instructional content.  It's not needed.

5)  Repeat multiple step sequences a second time for clarity (on hard to follow steps) and allow the viewer to catch up.

6)  Some YT videos are done well, and better than others, but many simply don't realize the pain inflicted because of speed.  Go back and watch some of your own videos!  Judge for yourself.

7)  YouTube is a marvelous thing, and there are a lot of wanta-be producers of instructional videos that are missing the mark.

Rant over.

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Try this guy

 


 

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I don't have a stream deck so I can't help you too much personally but have you tried any of the streamdeck templates available here? Stream Deck for Microsoft Flight Simulator | Flightsim.to Might give you a good starting point?

Regarding your YT comments, some people aren't aware but if you click the little cog in the bottom right, you can slow down the video. You can also enable closed captions which even when auto generated are quite good on YT. Just in case you come across one of these frantic videos again!

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I can confirm that "Flightsim and Other Stuff's" YT tutorials on the subject are excellent.

They go at a nice easy pace with full explanation of what is going on.

I learned a lot about the Streamdeck and X-Touch by watching his tutorials.

As the OP suggested, try downloading  a few examples from Flightsim.to

Cheer

Al

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8 hours ago, BobbyFuzzy said:

I don't have a stream deck so I can't help you too much personally but have you tried any of the streamdeck templates available here? Stream Deck for Microsoft Flight Simulator | Flightsim.to Might give you a good starting point?

Regarding your YT comments, some people aren't aware but if you click the little cog in the bottom right, you can slow down the video. You can also enable closed captions which even when auto generated are quite good on YT. Just in case you come across one of these frantic videos again!

Yes.  I have downloaded numerous profiles/templates from Flightsim.to.  There are only great looking at the moment.  I can't get any dynamic information displayed on the buttons reliably, or consistently.  All I'm trying to do at this point, is get the pre-built ones loaded and working correctly, together with whatever other file is needed.  My plight is that there is not (or I haven't found it yet), a single small document that helps pull the process together and the order in which items to be loaded or imported - if that is even required.  For instance, in some cases, you have to delete the profile before re-loading it in SD. You have to remember that AAO needs to be run as administrator.  Does the sim need to be or closed when you load something?  How do you import an AAO xml script?  I was able to do a few days ago, but now the menu option is totally ghosted out!  Do I have the correct versions of everything?  Now none of these individuals requirements is hard.  I understand that.  But, when an instruction simple says import the script, and the option is ghosted, then there's bug, or I'M doing something wrong, or my process is wrong.

If I'm the only one afflicted by this 'unawareness', then I guess I'll have to write the cheat-sheet myself.  I'm sure there's a noobie market out there.  At the moment, I'm still trying to figuring it all out, with a nugget of instruction here and a nugget there.  I'm sure once I get the process down CORRECTLY, it will become 2nd nature.  For now I'm simply not there.  I'm sure there are thousands of us weekend simers, who are not pilots, and just want to get up and flying (simply VFR for now), with a couple useful add-ons that enhance the experience, or make understanding how a plane works a little easier.

I know there are good videos out there, but the vast majority of them are not done so well.  I haven't mentioned any names and I won't.  I was just trying to give some pointers to YT'ers at large.  I'm aware of the playback speed thing too.  But that's just one aid, has nothing to do with presentation, audio quality, and so many others variables that go into making great, over just passable videos.

 

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8 hours ago, algy10 said:

I can confirm that "Flightsim and Other Stuff's" YT tutorials on the subject are excellent.

They go at a nice easy pace with full explanation of what is going on.

I learned a lot about the Streamdeck and X-Touch by watching his tutorials.

As the OP suggested, try downloading  a few examples from Flightsim.to

Cheer

Al

I wasn't speaking or referring to Flightsim videos exclusively at all!

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Thank you for your extensive post @redjr. That's what I (and many others) probably notice as well. EVERYONE wants/can post a video on YT these days. Everything with the best intentions. But only a FEW have the educational qualities to make a well-taught and recorded tutorial. That will remain an illusion, despite your heartfelt cry. I am currently working with 3 stream decks and it works out quite well, albeit with a lot of trial and error. There is not much specialist information to be found.
Elgato may in due course. will come up with a new software version, which in turn offers more options for the 'normal' user. If you want the utmost customization, computer language will have to be used to be able to show various results (Flight tracker, Lorby AOA, etc.).

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12 hours ago, redjr said:

How do you import an AAO xml script?

You should be able to go Scripting > Import. I just tested that, you don't need to be connected to the sim or running as admin either. There's a fantastic manual with AAO, have you given that a look to see if it answers any other questions you have?

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4 hours ago, Simcees said:

Thank you for your extensive post @redjr. That's what I (and many others) probably notice as well. EVERYONE wants/can post a video on YT these days. Everything with the best intentions. But only a FEW have the educational qualities to make a well-taught and recorded tutorial. That will remain an illusion, despite your heartfelt cry. I am currently working with 3 stream decks and it works out quite well, albeit with a lot of trial and error. There is not much specialist information to be found.
Elgato may in due course. will come up with a new software version, which in turn offers more options for the 'normal' user. If you want the utmost customization, computer language will have to be used to be able to show various results (Flight tracker, Lorby AOA, etc.).

 

38 minutes ago, BobbyFuzzy said:

You should be able to go Scripting > Import. I just tested that, you don't need to be connected to the sim or running as admin either. There's a fantastic manual with AAO, have you given that a look to see if it answers any other questions you have?

 

4 hours ago, Simcees said:

Thank you for your extensive post @redjr. That's what I (and many others) probably notice as well. EVERYONE wants/can post a video on YT these days. Everything with the best intentions. But only a FEW have the educational qualities to make a well-taught and recorded tutorial. That will remain an illusion, despite your heartfelt cry. I am currently working with 3 stream decks and it works out quite well, albeit with a lot of trial and error. There is not much specialist information to be found.
Elgato may in due course. will come up with a new software version, which in turn offers more options for the 'normal' user. If you want the utmost customization, computer language will have to be used to be able to show various results (Flight tracker, Lorby AOA, etc.).

To to be clear... For the time being, I am not attempting any customization of either plug-ins, xml scripts, or any of the mountain of minutiae flight data that MSFS and the addons use.  After 40 yrs. of doing training in an industry, what I learned, is that if you want to produce respectable user documentation DON'T get a bunch of programmers in a room to do it.  Period.  Get a couple users that know; (1) the particular field (ie pilot), (2) are knowledgeable of the process/flow (everything has a flow), and (3) a programmer who know the industry/topic well to work through the design.  Create a framework and then fill in the details.  But that's another topic.

I'm sure I'll get this particular phase figured out, but my tenacity and willingness are sadly in short supply.  I can blame it on my age.  🙂

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12 hours ago, redjr said:

I have.

And did it help?

I also just got a Stream Deck XL and have watched a few of his videos. When I get time I will have a go myself but from what I can see you have to install the Lorby software and then the Stream Deck plugin (from the Lorby site). Once you’ve done this you can install the Stream Deck files from flightsim.to 

Have you followed those steps? Also maybe it is worth reaching out too the creator of whichever stream deck profile you are having issues with, maybe they can assist you.


 

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There is a learning curve on using AAO to script actions for MSFS. I have used Axair Miap and Mili, Xtouch Mini and now Stream Deck XL. The last is my preferred controller. The video listed above and the associated videos are still being re-watched because I catch things I didn't catch the first couple times. I encourage you to watch them all. There have been no postings by the author since summer, so I don't know why he hasn't created anymore.

I also encourage you to reread the manual as well. It is updated as new features are included in AAO when they are updated. These features are regularly updated in Guenseli's profiles on FlightSim.to.

Lorby has a support forum available on Avsim and there is a long stream of conversations on MSFS forums.

You aren't alone in all of this. Many of us are not well versed in XML and so the scripts can be confusing. I looked for a video as you describe but have not found it yet. I guess it may be yours!


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59 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

And did it help?

I also just got a Stream Deck XL and have watched a few of his videos. When I get time I will have a go myself but from what I can see you have to install the Lorby software and then the Stream Deck plugin (from the Lorby site). Once you’ve done this you can install the Stream Deck files from flightsim.to 

Have you followed those steps? Also maybe it is worth reaching out too the creator of whichever stream deck profile you are having issues with, maybe they can assist you.

Yes.  I have followed those steps multiple times.  My main issue now is why, apparently the associated AAO xml script, included with the SD template won't load when I try to import it within the AAO app. 

OH WAIT!  I put my computer to sleep last night, woke it up this morning, and NOW the scripting option is enabled.  Wonders never cease!  So, that tells me that (1) AAO was not opened using administrator, (2) I unfittingly had some other background process interfering with the AAO/scripting, or (3) it magically fixed itself overnight! (I'm not buying that last one.  🙂 )  Computers are supposed to be predictable!

Now at least I can finish loading this particular script into AAO and see what happens.

Edit:  Wops, spoke to soon.  Restarted as administrator and it's back to being ghosted. 😞

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24 minutes ago, mrbill38119 said:

There is a learning curve on using AAO to script actions for MSFS. I have used Axair Miap and Mili, Xtouch Mini and now Stream Deck XL. The last is my preferred controller. The video listed above and the associated videos are still being re-watched because I catch things I didn't catch the first couple times. I encourage you to watch them all. There have been no postings by the author since summer, so I don't know why he hasn't created anymore.

I also encourage you to reread the manual as well. It is updated as new features are included in AAO when they are updated. These features are regularly updated in Guenseli's profiles on FlightSim.to.

Lorby has a support forum available on Avsim and there is a long stream of conversations on MSFS forums.

You aren't alone in all of this. Many of us are not well versed in XML and so the scripts can be confusing. I looked for a video as you describe but have not found it yet. I guess it may be yours!

Just to reiterate... I'm not trying to fix up, make fine tuning adjustments to my car engine.  I'm simply trying to get the car to start and drive it slowly into the garage.

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Send a text directly to Oliver at the address at the end of the manual and ask him your question or share your concerns. You can also explain your desire for a step-by-step video on using AAO with devices. Perhaps he will have a suggestion. I'm not sure that you will otherwise find success in your quest at this time.

You might take a look at Les's videos for Spadnext users. You may find this useful and perhaps you would feel more comfortable going this route. More expensive but a much better gui. Les O'Reilly - YouTube

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