45 minutes ago, FBW737 said:

Well, I was always a fan of the FT CYYZ. I lived in Toronto for many years. I'll wait for FT. I know it was one of there most complex projects. I wish the other developer well but again I saw some odd things in that Video and Virtuali's remarks make perfect sense. Can see how 4 guys could churn out in a short time what it took FT years of work to do.

Yes, if that is correct, the fine details will tell the story. Should be interesting to see how it plays out in terms of quality 😉 The final verdict will be quickly revealed on this forum!

I really don't understand why some are speculating that this was done "quickly." I don't see any indication anywhere of such. 

13 hours ago, pmb said:

but after the recent suboptimum EGLL and LIRF and I'll tame my expectations.

Owning both airports, I disagree with the negativity on both rather radically. I think their flaws have been severely overplayed.

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Abriael

11 minutes ago, Abriael said:

 

I really don't understand why some are speculating that this was done "quickly." I don't see any indication anywhere of such

 

That was my thought, we really have no idea how long it has been in development.

I wonder how well it will preform with AI. Hopefully no hold point errors causing runway stack ups.

Couple if the screenshots have AIG models in them, but as the static aircraft slider, because there’s airlines that make no sense. But that might mean they tested it with AI.

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Tuskin38

36 minutes ago, Abriael said:

I really don't understand why some are speculating that this was done "quickly." I don't see any indication anywhere of such. 

Owning both airports, I disagree with the negativity on both rather radically. I think their flaws have been severely overplayed.

I don't own them, but that was my impression from several reviews which I watched/read. But I accept you disagree, of course.

Kind regards, Michael

MSFS was released on August 18 2020. That's a year and a half ago. So we have some idea how long its been in development. The general consensus seems to be that it takes 2 years to develop a detailed international airport for Flight sim. This statement appears to be supported by Virtuali. If you don't know who that is you haven't been around very long!🤣 Also, some of the textures in video look very sketchy. Looking at the FT CYYZ promo video for P3D I think it looks better than the one being released for MSFS:

 

Just now, pmb said:

I don't own them, but that was my impression from several reviews which I watched/read. But I accept you disagree, of course.

Kind regards, Michael

 

It's very easy to make whole videos pointing out individual flaws and stress them rather heavy handedly, especially when considered in a vacuum. I could take some of the very best airports and harp for 20 minutes on how this or that element is disappointing (without spending a single second talking about whether the airports are accurate, because nowadays people just take a cursory look at Google maps while reviewing and call it a day). When doing that it's easy to lose track of the fact that the quality of an airport (but it's also the same for aircraft) is often more than the sum of its parts.

Taking a bird-eye look at both, considering both accuracy and quality of the craft, they're both among those I would consider good airports, and perfectly worth their price. They may not be absolutely top-notch, but those are very rare. Every airport has its conditions and unique elements, and should be judged by its own merits. 

FBW737 beat me to it with almost the same points. Unless this new group RegDesigns is using some technology to accelerate the work load, the required time (to turn out a major hub) based on what other developers report, is not possible. Hopefully the final product will be great. 

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Doering

9 minutes ago, Doering said:

FBW737 beat me to it with almost the same points. Unless this new group RegDesigns is using some technology to accelerate the work load, the required time based (to turn a major hub) on what other developers report, is not possible. Hopefully the final product will be great. 

Again, what makes you assume that they haven't taken the "required time?" 

We don't know how long this has been in development, so that seems to be a rather farfetched assumption. People work at different paces, distribute work differently, and so forth. Looking at developers like Pyreegue, they have created exceptionally good and definitely not small airports from scratch in a relatively small time, just to bring an example that isn't even unique. 

There isn't an arbitrary "required time." Only results. And what we have seen so far from this airport is far from an indication of rushed work. I'll reserve judgement for when it's out, but I certainly won't assume that it's automatically worse than one of which I haven't seen a single screenshot just because the latter is made by an established developer. 

A lot of the posts around here simply feel like gatekeeping, and that's rather sad to see. Microsoft Flight Simulator has brought out a lot of new talent from the woodwork, and we should definitely celebrate that.

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Abriael

FlyTampa's P3D rendition of Toronto was really very good, there is no denying that. Their work has always been excellent and Toronto I thought showcased this -- although Toronto being in a dreaded virtual gravity well, along with Seattle and London, made it hard to show all the elements of that scenery without brining my performance into the signal digits. 

We will soon all see what this scenery had to offer, including performance, but I am excited to have a better rendition of Toronto as it is my home airport and I will use it a great deal. And I would rather have that now then wait for FlyTampa's version at some unspecified time in the future -- a month, a year, two years? Of course I will look at FlyTampa's offering when it is released, but then it will have to be really substantially better for me to repurchase the airport. 

Time is probably not the best variable to consider on its own. As some said, we do not know how long they have been working on the project, their skill level with the methods of MSFS, the number of people they used to work on the scenery, how much time those people committed, etc. 

I am just really happy that Canada has received such attention in MSFS, with many major airports already available and great renditions -- including freeware -- of some smaller ones.

That's all well and good. Buy whatever you like. I'm a discerning buyer generally and definitely when it comes to flight sim. You know what they say about a fool and his money. To say that there are assumption or baseless assumption going on here is false. We know that the airport hasn't been in development for more than a year and a half and to be realistic we know it hasn't been in development for more than a few months or a year tops. We also know that there are four individuals involved. It says so in the website. We also know that some on the Textures are Sketchy. We can see that in the Video:

This is not like facade of the Sheraton plus the textures are very sketchy.

Look at the wavy lines in the structure of the roof of the Terminal building. They should be smooth curves.

I'm not slamming it. It's constructive criticism and what do you want for $20.

 

Watched the vid, looked pretty decent for $20.00, how good r these developers, In the past I always bought airports from FS Dreamteam, Flightbeam, Latin VFR, and of course flytampa, which I thought was the front runner for Toronto.

23 minutes ago, FBW737 said:

To say that there are assumption or baseless assumption going on here is false. We know that the airport hasn't been in development for more than a year and a half and to be realistic we know it hasn't been in development for more than a few months or a year tops.

Says he's not making baseless assumptions -> Proceeds to make baseless assumptions without even detaching the fingers from the keyboard.

Nitpicking's easy. The value of scenery is determined by more than a couple of cherry-picked less-than-flattering shots. 

I could cherry-pick 20 unflattering shots from the trailer you posted of FlyTampa's airport (and many more from the airport itself if P3D hadn't long gone the way of the dodo from my PC), but I'm not interested in nitpicking at someone's work when the whole is what matters.

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Abriael

I’m interested to see this one. It looks fantastic. Yet I’m ok with the saying you have to beat the champ to be the champ. Flytampa Toronto was the champ 

@Abriael I have not downplayed the developers nor will I ever downplay any developer good or bad.  I simply put 2 and 2 together from statements in this thread. These new developers have not been together for 3 or 4 years grinding out products. It was pointed out that it takes 3-4 years to produce a high end airport. I said “hopefully the product will be good” above and beyond what has been discussed here. They are from the Toronto/Waterloo area - virtually in my backyard. I have corresponded with David offering my help towards future projects.

Edited February 27, 20224 yr by Doering