Study Level Default Aircraft

[HiFlyer]

On 3/18/2022 at 11:38 PM, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Basically, as your best most talented and experienced developers get older they get less inclined to jump into learning a complete new system. They will learn what they need to and try and use as much of their old skills as they can get away with. it is simply not viable for them to spend 3 years relearning everything when they are going to retire in five anyway.

I think we kind of saw some of this fairly early on, as some developers complained quite bitterly about JavaScript and WASM etc, while outside of the spotlight, others were saying quietly that it was a tempest in a teapot, and not that big a deal...

From the outside, it seemed very much related to the paradigm you described.

[Bert Pieke]

Not sure this was mentioned earlier, but the Flysimware C414 is due out on March 24 and sure looks as complex/complete as any GA aircraft out there.. Get the pilots guide here: https://flysimware.com/website2019/flysimwares-cessna-414a-chancellor-msfs2020/

Edited March 22, 2022 by Bert Pieke

[roadrabbit149]

I help out with a Vatsim ATO. We have been looking at the P4/ATPL Vatsim rating. Here are some of the questions we have raised:

1. Is there a market for it? I suspect it's very small.

2. Is there a suitable aircraft for it? No free aircraft appears suitable on any platform. Would prospective students be prepared to pay upwards of $60 for a payware model?

3. What should the course include? The Vatsim P4 MCS document is hardly different to the P3 MCS document. PTD themselves want more, but can't agree on content!

4. Could the course require a minimum number of hours flying with a virtual airline?

5.  Who would teach it?

From all the previous discussion I see a further problem:why should any developer put time and money into creating a suitable airframe for this course, when as soon as it s released the platform dvelopers declare their current platform obsolete as they launch their new platform (thinking MSFS2020 changing into MSFS2024)?

 

PS:  A suitable airframe would be one with an array of systems failures actionable by the instructor using shared cockpit software.

 

Edited February 19 by roadrabbit149
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[meerkat]

Wrong thread? This is an old one about study level aircraft...

[g-liner]

On 3/18/2022 at 6:21 PM, Abriael said:

There's a difference between dedication and elitism, and elitism becomes toxic really quickly. It certainly exists and it's pretty widespread in certain environments of the flight simulation community with many self-elected "hardcore" who identify themselves as superior.

All you have to do is to see the reaction of some to the sole mention of the word "Xbox." We've seen people rejoicing at the exclusion of Xbox users from Vatsim (which wasn't even motivated by what they thought it was) instead of advocating for more solid training for everyone (which would be really needed, regardless of platform). 

There is a big differnece between the racing sim community and the flight sim community. The racing sim hobby has never been unpopular. The flight sim hobby has been unpopular for several years. This has created an insular attitude because people wanted to believe such unpopularity was good, keeping the "casuals" out. Even after 1.5 years back into the limelight, you definitely still see the vestiges of that. 

Agreed, to me the big difference is that in E racing your ability is actually assessed regularly in the results, so elitism is far less whereas in flightsim elitism is more prevalent due to lack of self awareness and without any actual basis and unfortunately also encourages huge amounts of dunning Kruger. 
 

In the same way, that’s way IRL professional flying is often quite different to private flying as your competency is assessed regularly, keeping you grounded, plus your peers and employer will give you feedback if your behaviour and attitude becomes suboptimal. 
 

like in flightsim, private pilots can buy there way into the perceived (not real)  ‘higher levels’ of the hobby and enthusiasts can massively over estimate their ability often resulting in negative outcomes. The massive focus on fidelity in some (serious) simmers and scorn of others who are less focused than them (gamers) also often possibly indicates various personality disorders. 
 

Flightsim elitism reminds me very much of some flying clubs or gliding clubs and golf clubs where people who often have been a bit financially successful think they are also successful in their other hobbies and this often results in elitist attitudes. 

[ErichB]

1 hour ago, g-liner said:

Agreed, to me the big difference is that in E racing your ability is actually assessed regularly in the results, so elitism is far less whereas in flightsim elitism is more prevalent due to lack of self awareness and without any actual basis and unfortunately also encourages huge amounts of dunning Kruger. 
 

In the same way, that’s way IRL professional flying is often quite different to private flying as your competency is assessed regularly, keeping you grounded, plus your peers and employer will give you feedback if your behaviour and attitude becomes suboptimal. 
 

like in flightsim, private pilots can buy there way into the perceived (not real)  ‘higher levels’ of the hobby and enthusiasts can massively over estimate their ability often resulting in negative outcomes. The massive focus on fidelity in some (serious) simmers and scorn of others who are less focused than them (gamers) also often possibly indicates various personality disorders. 
 

Flightsim elitism reminds me very much of some flying clubs or gliding clubs and golf clubs where people who often have been a bit financially successful think they are also successful in their other hobbies and this often results in elitist attitudes. 

True words indeed