Hi there,

I downloaded the A&O Demo for testing purposes. So far everything is good, except one thing that might not even be supported. It is an issue regarding the FMC Web Api Sample available on the A&O Webpage. I have read the Disclaimer on the Download page, but I hope it is still allowed to ask questions.

As soon as I put the CJ4 FMC mod into my Community Folder, all Displays in my WT CJ4 (12.12, current version) are black. If I remove the Mod, they work again. This is with or without A&O running.

The other FMC Exports I tried (747, 787) work fine and cause no issues.

So I wonder if the CJ4 FMC Export mod is just for an earlier version of the WT CJ4, but then others should have the same problem I guess? Did someone try it recently and can tell me if it works for him?

Kind regards!

Hi, 

I have just tested this - I don't seem to have that problem, the web FMC works fine - and the displays in the VC too.

The manifest file of my CJ4 says: "package_version":  "0.12.12" so I assume that I have the same one that you have? Did you download the mod recently?

Strange, but good to hear it works on your side. So it must be something on my side. Yes, the package_version in my CJ4 Mod reads 0.12.12 and the package_version of your FMC Mod reads 0.1.1.

I will completely remove both and download again then. I´ll report back. Thanks for testing it 🙂

Back from my Test "flights". I downloaded both mods again, made sure the ZIP File is unblocked before extracting, cleaned out the old Mods and put the freshly downloaded files into the Community Folder. I still had the same issue.

Then I disabled all mods, except the WT CJ4, your content-hooks and the FMC Mod and fired up MSFS again. Still the same issue.

Then I only disabled the FMC Mod, and the displays in the CJ4 are back Online again.

But if I am the only one with that problem, please do not invest time here. Some update on either side might fix it in the future. It is just funny because it works fine for the A320, 737 and 787... and the only one I fly is the CJ4 LOL.

No worries though, the FMC mod is a freebie and I do not expect that you put time into that.

Have you modded the CJ4 further than what WT did? Modded the mod so to speak? Anything that might have changed the FMC or related instruments?

 

No, nothing. That is why I downloaded the FMC and WT CJ4 mod again and disabled all my mods except the 3 mentioned. To make sure no other mod interferes with that.

I can not think of anything that I am doing different than with the A320 and 737/787.

It should not matter if A&O runs for what is happening within the Sim, right? I currently only have the Demo, but when it does not run, MSFS should not care / know, right?

Edit: I also did not change the Default name of th Mod Directory. It starts with zzz and should load last, after the CJ4.

Edited April 23, 20224 yr by buedi

10 minutes ago, buedi said:

It should not matter if A&O runs for what is happening within the Sim, right?

Not sure. I have to try that. The AAO module tries to send web service requests, and maybe the CJ4 doesn't like it when that fails. Run AAO "As administrator" and connect it to the sim, just to be safe.

Edit: no, it doesn't matter, at least for me. Displays are on in the CJ4 with AAO not running at all.

Edited April 23, 20224 yr by Lorby_SI

So I've checked the CJ4 FMS file on the AAO website, and I did not like what I saw. This looks like a build error.

I've updated the package and re-uploaded it to the site.

Awesome! Thank you very much! I will have to leave now, but I will try tomorrow and report back. Promised! 🙂

@Lorby_SI

That fixed it! I have the screens back again in the CJ4! And by the way: A&O does not need to run for them to work. Awesome! Thank you very much 🙂

Oh, and I got myself a License. I am not saying that to brag, I just want to let you know the reasons because I think it is important to let business owners know what drove a customer to buy that specific product:

• It was not an impulse buy, I am thinking about getting one of the Tools like that for a bit because switching planes means switching control schemes in MSFS. Also I have a lot of 3-way switches that I was not able to configure to my liking within MSFS.
• It was not this thread that pushed me to A&O, although it showed how you care, even for non-customers!
• I followed numerous discussions in the last weeks about A&O and similar tools. What I like is that you chime in here and there and give tips, but never make the impression you are marketing your product. Quite contrary. It seems important to you that everybody tries it first before buy to make sure it is for them. That makes you on one side look very confident that you have a good product and on the other side look like a very honest and respectable business man. A happy customer seems more important to you than another customer.
• There is no subscription! Really, I got a bit sad when I read the post of a guy who got another product, just to find out afterwards that he only has rented it for a year.
• I watched Videos about how it works before I downloaded the Demo and then spotted in the Demo that you added tons of more options and features to configure input devices. I saw that your product still gets improved and updated. That is very important for me, not only to get more options in the future, but a living product makes me confident that when the next MSFS update breakes something, there is a person behind A&O that cares and will try to fix issues.
• I read this thread and was really impressed by your responses. First you were confident that it is not possible to implement as a feature, but provided a workaround in form of a script, only to come back later: Oh, I had an Idea and put it into the next version! Providing a workaround would have been enough for everyone finding that thread and having the same issue. But then walking the extra mile to think about it again, finding a solution (and admitting that your first impression that it is not possible might have been wrong), implementing it in the next version and making your product better and easier to use in that process is next level development and customer care.

Thank you for providing a great product to the MSFS community and running an honest and fair business 🙂

Hi Lorby,

I am having the exact same issue. I downloaded the CJ4 FMC .zip file from your homepage today (https://www.axisandohs.com/downloads.html) and installed as instructed. However, when I put the CJ4 mod into the community folder, my screens turn black... Has the file on the homepage corrupted itself again?

1 hour ago, mattbakerpl said:

Has the file on the homepage corrupted itself again?

Man, I hope that they don't start doing that! I am quite content with creating my own bugs.

Looks like WorkingTitle changed things in the FMC. Better stay away from the AAO CJ4 Web FMC for now, until it can be updated.

Edited June 18, 20241 yr by Lorby_SI

Ah I see, thats a bummer. Thanks for the heads up. I'll turn email notifications on for this thread, if it ever gets updated might you let us know here?

39 minutes ago, mattbakerpl said:

Ah I see, thats a bummer. Thanks for the heads up. I'll turn email notifications on for this thread, if it ever gets updated might you let us know here?

Unfortunately it is really bad. WT chose to implement some logic that adjusts the size of the HTML assets according to parameters set within the sim as additional styles, bypassing the CSS. As a result they are now four times bigger than before. Not sure yet what I'm going to do about this. 

Edited June 18, 20241 yr by Lorby_SI

I've updated the CJ4 FMC on the Lorby website now.