FlyByWire Simulations | A32NX | Sim Update 9

[FlyingGoose 405]

I didn't see any message. I loaded the plane and that AI option just vanished from my top menu. There was no explanation provided. 

If you are talking about the message that pops up AFTER you edit the Assistance options in the main menu and try turning on AI - that message may need to be made a bit more clear. It did not say that FBW is force-disabling the AI option. It only said that I have to turn off Assists.

Anyway, this was a suggestion made in good faith. I have no intention of getting into an argument about what users do or do not do, or read or do not read. I also am not demanding anything. I know this is free, and you get what you pay for. You guys make a nice free plane, I made a small free suggestion, that's it. 

 

[FlyingGoose 405]

I see that this is in the release notes today. I think you released 0.8 today or yesterday? 

The release notes make it quite clear what's happening, and that is fine. 

[AGuther 187]

We had a pop-up before…on Development version and Experimental. Then we found out about that option to force disable it. This is now part of stable as well and we made it clear on release notes. For dev there is no specific one beside the log of commits on GitHub. Put looking at this it’s also there.

[FlyingGoose 405]

Just now, AGuther said:

We had a pop-up before…on Development version and Experimental. Then we found out about that option to force disable it. This is now part of stable as well and we made it clear on release notes. For dev there is no specific one beside the log of commits on GitHub. Put looking at this it’s also there.

Yup, it's in the release notes for 0.8. I last used it a day or two ago prior to the 0.8 release. It's all good now. 

[Sagoland 22]

42 minutes ago, FlyingGoose said:

Yup, it's in the release notes for 0.8. I last used it a day or two ago prior to the 0.8 release. It's all good now. 

No it's not good now. The reason for taking away two important options toggle AI copilot for ATC and taxi ribbons on arrival seems to be that they don't want the few people who fly the plane with takeoff assistance and such to come to their Discord for help. Thats not an acceptable reason for such important features to be deleted. FBW you tell me if I have understood your reasons wrongly.

[DAD 2,650]

13 minutes ago, Sagoland said:

taking away

just skimming this topic but complaining that someone takes something away which you got for free in the first place is a little bit out of bounds IMHO. frustration? acknowledged and understood. demanding? well... this is not payware.

[Maxis 1,857]

22 minutes ago, Sagoland said:

No it's not good now. The reason for taking away two important options toggle AI copilot for ATC and taxi ribbons on arrival seems to be that they don't want the few people who fly the plane with takeoff assistance and such to come to their Discord for help. Thats not an acceptable reason for such important features to be deleted. FBW you tell me if I have understood your reasons wrongly.

@Sagoland

Mr Guther posted a workaround to restore the features in his post with the screenshot. I really do appreciate the work they do overall. and while i do very stridently agree with you on these very points you are stating i would think at least we can avail ourselves of this option to turn it off until a better solution is found for everyone. I do not agree with the decision to implement the sim feature disabling in the first place .. but the fact that they gave an option to undo it should be fine so everyone can go about their business.

I don't want to create any more waves ... they provided a workable solution for now and this is their work for everyone to enjoy in the end. If the solution is unworkable for you i think you will have to consider not using their product for a while as i decided i was going to do last night if a solution was not found.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Maxis

[Maxis 1,857]

10 minutes ago, DAD said:

just skimming this topic but complaining that someone takes something away which you got for free in the first place is a little bit out of bounds IMHO. frustration? acknowledged and understood. demanding? well... this is not payware.

Yeah your skimming the topic.. but a workaround is posted to undo it for those affected so hopefully affected parties can implement it and carry on.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Maxis

[ErichB 3,638]

18 hours ago, omarsmak30 said:

To be honest, if someone wants to fly the FBW or any high fidelity add-one, they shouldn't use any AI assistance or so ever to start with.

People should just dump awful tin canned ATC anyway and fly on VATSIM.  It is an overall much better experience.  No idea why people keep banging on about stupid ATC AI.  It is a complete immersion killer.

[Watsi 2,571]

2 hours ago, ErichB said:

People should just dump awful tin canned ATC anyway and fly on VATSIM.  It is an overall much better experience.  No idea why people keep banging on about stupid ATC AI.  It is a complete immersion killer.

Cause people don't want to / are not able to speak to someone online. You never know what's behind these decisions. You shouldn't assume that it is lazyness or ignorance. If our guys at support would assume that every time, they would have a lot of fun. 😉

[lwt1971 7,348]

One core aspect of this issue seems to be Asobo for whatever reasons not persisting previous user settings (especially around the assistance stuff) on every SU release.. is there a zendesk or official issue link for this which we can all upvote to get their attention?

[vonmar 122]

2 hours ago, ErichB said:

People should just dump awful tin canned ATC anyway and fly on VATSIM.  It is an overall much better experience.  No idea why people keep banging on about stupid ATC AI.  It is a complete immersion killer.

How often are VATSIM controllers available / not available on your flights?

 

[AGuther 187]

I‘m in contact with MS/Asobo. I‘m sure we will find a solution that is ok for the great majority. It might take a bit though, but I‘m confident it will happen.

Edited May 5, 2022 by AGuther

[ErichB 3,638]

4 hours ago, vonmar said:

How often are VATSIM controllers available / not available on your flights?

Europe is generally very well covered most of the time.  Maybe not on the whole sector all the time, but certainly partially.  

[ShawnG 1,823]

8 hours ago, ErichB said:

People should just dump awful tin canned ATC anyway and fly on VATSIM.  It is an overall much better experience.  No idea why people keep banging on about stupid ATC AI.  It is a complete immersion killer.

People should just stop telling other people how to sim.  Or what is immersive to them applies to everybody.  Single pilot operation of an a320 isn’t immersive either to many.  I mean I use Pilot2ATC these days, but I have that ATC ai help turned on.  It’s not an abnormal request to want to use.