The point is we have too many of these tiny vlbj poodle jumpers. I mean, the HJet is a nice plane, but load it up with cargo and passengers, and how far can you really go? Might as well take Amtrak.

What's needed are bizjets that can go cross- oder intercontinental. 

I mean, MSFS 2020 has been out 2 years, and the only long range biz jet remains the Longitude - and that has its own shortcomings, like no cabin, no decent animations outside, etc. G3000 not quite there yet. 

X-Plane has the Hotstart Challenger 650. I wish a company would produce something similar for MSFS 2020. I don't get it, commercially it's the most successful simulator ever. Surely, there is a large enough market available. 

29 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

The point is we have too many of these tiny vlbj poodle jumpers. I mean, the HJet is a nice plane, but load it up with cargo and passengers, and how far can you really go? Might as well take Amtrak.

What's needed are bizjets that can go cross- oder intercontinental. 

I mean, MSFS 2020 has been out 2 years, and the only long range biz jet remains the Longitude - and that has its own shortcomings, like no cabin, no decent animations outside, etc. G3000 not quite there yet. 

X-Plane has the Hotstart Challenger 650. I wish a company would produce something similar for MSFS 2020. I don't get it, commercially it's the most successful simulator ever. Surely, there is a large enough market available. 

I agree we need a large, long range bizjet in the sim (well all of them if we're dreaming).  However, we actually do have one, although many discount it because its more commonly thought of as a commercial airliner.

If I were in the position to own a very large bizjet in the real world and had a Gulfstream, Bombardier, ABJ and BBJ, etc to choose from, I'd take the BBJ every day of the week and 3 times on Sunday.  

The others are cool no doubt, but if you're that rich, another few million here or there for a BBJ is nothing and it blows away all the others in the things that actually matter in the real world.

So we have ONE high fidelity large business jet in MSFS, but I agree we need the GS' and Bombarier's to make an appearance.

 

38 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I mean, MSFS 2020 has been out 2 years, and the only long range biz jet remains the Longitude - and that has its own shortcomings, like no cabin, no decent animations outside, etc. G3000 not quite there yet. 

X-Plane has the Hotstart Challenger 650. I wish a company would produce something similar for MSFS 2020. I don't get it, commercially it's the most successful simulator ever. Surely, there is a large enough market available. 

Luckily for me I couldn't care less about the cabin or outside animations, but the current Longitude is no real use for me - waiting eagerly for the refresh. You did however miss off the BBJ which has as long a range as you could ever want and is superb - just a little bit too much of an airliner for me.

Would be great to see a proper long range one though. Perhaps someone will run with it once WT has their refresh up and SDK for it done... or even better MS decide to do one in one of their updates.

 

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On 5/24/2022 at 5:19 AM, tjrush said:

Why make the Mustang? Why not the M2?

 

I couldn't care less and would rather love to see the already existing (and promising) Citation Longitude get a flight model and study-level systems depth overhaul.
This bird can get you anywhere with its 3.500nm range and ample cruise speed.

Or brush up the already existing CJ4 which is also decent as a starting point.

Personally, not too interested in flying the low-speed, low-range Citations, no matter how good they're done in the sim.

If only MSFS had a Challenger 650 as good as the one for X-Plane ...

Edited July 12, 20232 yr by bpcw001

1 hour ago, bpcw001 said:

I couldn't care less and would rather love to see the already existing (and promising) Citation Longitude get a flight model and study-level systems depth overhaul.

Perhaps you missed what was in the AAU1 sim update? The Longitude has received both of those things. 🙂

I think a modelled cabin is more important for a Bizjet than most other aircraft - why simulate flying these luxurious machines without being able to go back and simulate chilling out!

I agree we need something spectacular to do the sim justice, the most promising Biz on any platform currently is the Falcon on XP - long range, study level, but still seemingly mostly vapourware

BBJ will have to do for now

Sad that gulfstreams aren’t possible as the company will issue a legal C&D faster than Disney, but it would be really nice to have a long range Falcon 10X or globaljet 

3 hours ago, FormulaJet said:

Sad that gulfstreams aren’t possible as the company will issue a legal C&D faster than Disney, but it would be really nice to have a long range Falcon 10X or globaljet 

With that said...looking forward to this "Mothbeam G650" one day....👀🤣

Edited July 12, 20232 yr by blueshark747

On 5/24/2022 at 7:09 AM, odourboy said:

I'd like to see Xtreme Prototypes redo their Lear 25 for MSFS. I got a lot of mileage out of it in P3D and I really dug thd old-school instruments and 8 track. The modeling was really good in that bird. But it looks like Xtreme Prototypes is completely ignoring MSFS. 😔 

From their website (Welcome! | Xtreme Prototypes):

Announcing our GLJ Model 25/28 Addons for Microsoft® Flight Simulator 2020

Our classic Gates Learjet Model 25/28 business jet addons for Microsoft® Flight Simulator 2020 are currently in production and will be released later in the year. Please note that Xtreme Prototypes has ceased producing new addons for FSX. More details to come.

5 minutes ago, Matt Sdeel said:

From their website (Welcome! | Xtreme Prototypes😞

Announcing our GLJ Model 25/28 Addons for Microsoft® Flight Simulator 2020

Our classic Gates Learjet Model 25/28 business jet addons for Microsoft® Flight Simulator 2020 are currently in production and will be released later in the year. Please note that Xtreme Prototypes has ceased producing new addons for FSX. More details to come.

Oh ya!!! Thanks for the update.

FSW is also bringing their Lear 35 into MSFS 🙂

I nabbed this very early WIP shot from their discord

(Oh also their Falcon 50 - though the analog panel could use some more love - I'd like to at least see a FMS or avionics retrofit)

FSWlj35 by Ryan Butterworth, on Flickr

Edited July 12, 20232 yr by ryanbatc

59 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

FSW is also bringing their Lear 35 into MSFS 🙂

I nabbed this very early WIP shot from their discord

(Oh also their Falcon 50 - though the analog panel could use some more love - I'd like to at least see a FMS or avionics retrofit)

FSWlj35 by Ryan Butterworth, on Flickr

Yes, I also saw it and look forward to this one! It was great in Prepar3d, instant buy!

I’ve been simming since the days of SubLogics ATP, FS95 and 98, was in my twenties when the internet became a thing. 
 

From my very earlier days on Avsim and others the Bizjets have always been overlooked for yet another 737 or A320 when it came to designers. 

On 10/2/2022 at 5:36 PM, Steve Dra said:

I agree we need a large, long range bizjet in the sim

Yup, an alternative to the Citation Longitude. 

The BBJ is not an option, because the textures look terrible. The Cirrus Vision Jet, the Honda Jet, or the Cessna Chancellor have shown that you can have both systems depth and beautiful animations and textures, a nicely detailed cabin, etc. 

14 hours ago, blueshark747 said:

With that said...looking forward to this "Mothbeam G650" one day....👀🤣

 

Looks nice, but so does their Mustang at that sort of view - and that was (and still is) pretty poor.....

 

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