Mandatory add-ons for MSFS

[mrlip 56]

1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

When you download the airline packages though AIG AI Manager, it will automatically download all the models and liveries that are required to fly the flights that are part of that airline pack. From there you can use the Traffic Controller to actually show those flights, utilizing the flightplans that are part of the package, OR you can simply run MSFS live traffic and it will try to match the models that are part of AIG packages with the live traffic. Regardless, you need to install the airlines though manager, and it will do all the work for you. You don’t just ‘download models’ manually (and thank god for that, it would have been a hellish job!)

I have just moved from P3D to MSFS. In P3D I had many models and liveries installed via the AIG manager. Is it possible to move these over to MSFS or are the models not compatible?

[darshonaut 237]

10 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

It’s automatic! Just torn on life traffic and you should start to see MSFS automatically try to match the live traffic with the correct model, with some limitations. Overall nice for an out of the box solution, though.

Oh this is really interesting, thank you for mentioning that.
Trying to install it now and the first thing it asks me is 'You have the default traffic file still active. Do you want to disable it?'.

In the case of just wanting the models, I guess pressing the 'No' button would be the correct thing to do ?

[Shomron 251]

Thanks you all for the great info.

It's great we have this forum!

[Ricardo41 5,949]

MSFS is pretty great right out of the box, so I wouldn't consider any addon "mandatory" .

Correction:

The only addons I would consider "mandatory" are the various flight model mods and the pushback mod. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Ricardo41

[Luis Hernandez 570]

15 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

It’s automatic! Just torn on life traffic and you should start to see MSFS automatically try to match the live traffic with the correct model, with some limitations. Overall nice for an out of the box solution, though.

I gave it a try. All I got was a CTD at KJFK 😭

[Benjamin J 751]

14 hours ago, mrlip said:

I have just moved from P3D to MSFS. In P3D I had many models and liveries installed via the AIG manager. Is it possible to move these over to MSFS or are the models not compatible?

No, MSFS requires a new installation in parallel to the P3D one.

13 hours ago, darshonaut said:

Oh this is really interesting, thank you for mentioning that.
Trying to install it now and the first thing it asks me is 'You have the default traffic file still active. Do you want to disable it?'.

In the case of just wanting the models, I guess pressing the 'No' button would be the correct thing to do ?

Personally I disable it because I have no interest in The default traffic. MSFS will still be able to access the models if it can’t match any aircraft, it will only disable the default models for going on flights if you use offline default AI.

9 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said:

I gave it a try. All I got was a CTD at KJFK 😭

I sometimes get CTDs in the NYC area just because it’s full of photogrammetry and addons. Try to load somewhere else, perhaps LAX or SFO, which tend to perform better for me. You can also try switching off AI traffic, load your flight, and then turn on the live traffic. You will nee to wait a little before anything shows up sometimes, so be patient.

[bofhlusr 453]

On 5/26/2022 at 2:06 PM, Benjamin J said:

...Try to load somewhere else, perhaps LAX or SFO, which tend to perform better for me. You can also try switching off AI traffic, load your flight, and then turn on the live traffic. You will nee to wait a little before anything shows up sometimes, so be patient.

@Benjamin J How do you inject and "turn on live traffic" without using the AIG Traffic Controller?

In MSFS, General Options, Aviation Traffic, Aircraft Traffic Type; Real-time Online is missing and not available. I only have two choices in the section: AI Offline and OFF.

I'm in KSFO, using the Deluxe version and the latest version of AIG. AIG-Manager installed fine and the default planes were replaced by AIG-Manager. However there are no departures and arrivals (but it used to work after installation. For some reason it stopped working. I suspect, I switched or changed something).

[The Moose 1,177]

7 hours ago, bofhlusr said:

@Benjamin J How do you inject and "turn on live traffic" without using the AIG Traffic Controller?

In MSFS, General Options, Aviation Traffic, Aircraft Traffic Type; Real-time Online is missing and not available. I only have two choices in the section: AI Offline and OFF.

 

Look in your DATA settings,  You'll need the real time traffic turned on in there before you can chose it in your traffic settings.

[bofhlusr 453]

That worked.  Thanks. Traffic is still infrequent though. Only a few arrivals and departures regardless of time of day. There should be a lot more based on my real-life observation

[The Moose 1,177]

1 hour ago, bofhlusr said:

That worked.  Thanks. Traffic is still infrequent though. Only a few arrivals and departures regardless of time of day. There should be a lot more based on my real-life observation

I only went back to using the "live traffic" the other day (with AIG models/Paints)   For a test I was sat at Wellington Airport, Stuck FlightAware on my other monitor and watched for the next 90 mins.  Every single flight on FlightAware, including a couple of GA flights, both arrived and departed.  About 95% of those were correctly model/paint matched.     Not the busiest Airport in the world but i was very impressed.  The Live Traffic is certainly a whole lot better than it was this time last year.

[Benjamin J 751]

3 hours ago, bofhlusr said:

That worked.  Thanks. Traffic is still infrequent though. Only a few arrivals and departures regardless of time of day. There should be a lot more based on my real-life observation

Im not sure what the algorithm is that chooses how and what to display, but I have noticed that you may need to wait a while for things to start showing up. Also, be aware that only aircraft within a certain distance to you will show up, and they need to be actively getting commands as well, I think. Thus, parked aircraft won't necessarily show up, even if they are shown on FlightRadar24.

 

1 hour ago, The Moose said:

I only went back to using the "live traffic" the other day (with AIG models/Paints)   For a test I was sat at Wellington Airport, Stuck FlightAware on my other monitor and watched for the next 90 mins.  Every single flight on FlightAware, including a couple of GA flights, both arrived and departed.  About 95% of those were correctly model/paint matched.     Not the busiest Airport in the world but i was very impressed.  The Live Traffic is certainly a whole lot better than it was this time last year.

I share the same experience as you - your 90 minute wait ensured that you got to see everything, but it shows that you may need to wait.

I have found that time of day does make a huge difference. After all, it IS live traffic. Thus, if I setup at EHAM in 'my' afternoon, which is in San Francisco, of course there will be little activity onscreen, since it is the middle of the night in Amsterdam. Good to keep such details in mind.

[bofhlusr 453]

1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

Im not sure what the algorithm is that chooses how and what to display, but I have noticed that you may need to wait a while for things to start showing up. Also, be aware that only aircraft within a certain distance to you will show up, and they need to be actively getting commands as well, I think. Thus, parked aircraft won't necessarily show up, even if they are shown on FlightRadar24.

 

I share the same experience as you - your 90 minute wait ensured that you got to see everything, but it shows that you may need to wait.

I have found that time of day does make a huge difference. After all, it IS live traffic. Thus, if I setup at EHAM in 'my' afternoon, which is in San Francisco, of course there will be little activity onscreen, since it is the middle of the night in Amsterdam. Good to keep such details in mind.

The thing though is, KSFO is supposed to be super busy. My MSFS settings as far as traffic is concerned is maxed out.

I also 'parked' (departure location) in KSFO, changed time of day three times at 7 am, 1 pm, and late afternoon and waited 15 minutes. I only saw two departures. That can't be right.

SFO San Francisco Int'l Airport (SFO/KSFO) - FlightAware

Something's wrong.

[Benjamin J 751]

14 hours ago, bofhlusr said:

The thing though is, KSFO is supposed to be super busy. My MSFS settings as far as traffic is concerned is maxed out.

I also 'parked' (departure location) in KSFO, changed time of day three times at 7 am, 1 pm, and late afternoon and waited 15 minutes. I only saw two departures. That can't be right.

SFO San Francisco Int'l Airport (SFO/KSFO) - FlightAware

Something's wrong.

So there are two things tonote:
1) Changing the time doesn't help you. After all this is LIVE traffic. Whatever is in the air at that moment in the real world is what you will see in the sim, doesn't matter what time you set in the sim. More important is: what was the time of day when you were testing this? And I mean, the ACTUAL (real-world) time of day.

2) Note that there is a 10-15 minute delay between what you see in FlightAware and what appears in the sim. So, if real-world traffic volumes are low, it may actually take 15 minutes (the time you waited), for things to start showing up. You may need to wait longer.

In order to see higher traffic volumes at KSFO you will want to ensure that you actual, real-world time is something like 9-10am PST. Or, for more international traffic, somewhere between 3-5pm PST, when it sems that many international flights start their return leg. At least, in my experience...

[The Moose 1,177]

7 minutes ago, Benjamin J said:

Note that there is a 10-15 minute delay between what you see in FlightAware and what appears in the sim

Interestingly in my Wellington experiment, arrivals were generally landing in the sim under 2 mins mins from them landing on Flightaware, whereas departures seemed to happen 5-10 mins after FlightAware.

[Michael Moe 495]

Regarding traffic from either AIG controller running or just default in MSFS :

I have AIG installed and the default traffic disabled. I still see europeen liveries around places in USA which they shouldnt . Is this normal for now ?

Second :

How is live traffic in general for performance wise vs off ?

Is it possible to kill all traffic like in FSUIPC for P3D ? or is payware FSUIPC7 required ? I have mapped a button to this on approach in P3D.

The traffic settings in MSFS does it come with a radius  from current location? (like FSUIPC/P3D)

 

Thanks

Michael Moe