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I guess I'm the frst one!! Re: LDS 767 for FSX

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According to the LDS fsx forum, the LDS 767 for FSX has been released! I'm going over there now and get it!!EDIT: Note at this time it's only available to registered members (Current customers of the LDS-767 for FS2004)

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>>EDIT: Note at this time it's only available to registered>members (Current customers of the LDS-767 for FS2004)What's the point of that I wonder? I suppose I understand that they'd like to give existing customers a bit of a bonus - fair enough.Not criticising; just curious, that's all.

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>>>>EDIT: Note at this time it's only available to registered>>members (Current customers of the LDS-767 for FS2004)>>What's the point of that I wonder? I suppose I understand>that they'd like to give existing customers a bit of a bonus ->fair enough.>>Not criticising; just curious, that's all.>Usually when developers do this the public release is only about a day or 2 later, so you won't have long to wait!

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From what I see in the forum, it should be available to the pulic later today. 2000z timeframe... Keep the faith...

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>>Usually when developers do this the public release is only>about a day or 2 later, so you won't have long to wait!>Sure, no probs at all. I'm really interested to see how this first, serious quality, complex aircraft addon works on FSX. I won't buy until I'm convinced I'll be able to run it. If it runs fine for people, then I'm going to have to buy it along with ASX+Graphics - so that'll be my credit card out of action for a while :-)

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Well that was disappointing, but not totally unexpected with a complex aircraft like this! I was hoping, that some how they would be able to make the FSX version more efficient performance wise, being that even with FSX SP1, FSX performance still falls behind FS9, but alas, the performance is no better than the CS-757, which is roughly half I get from default, and 3rd party Overland aircraft. Over New York City which since SP1 I'm getting high teens to low 20's with my current settings, With the CS-757 and the LDS767 it's in the 8-9 range. This doesn't bode well for the future of FSX, if the PMDG is the same. So be prepared to significantly cut down your settings if you want to fly this bird, especially in dense scenery areas like NY.

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wow...i was thinking about it....not with 8-9 fps though...I really think this is a problem for the future. Remember the FPS hit that these sort of planes had on FS9? The levelD cut my FPS in half compared to the default 737 in FS9!!! Halfing the fps in FSX is deadly lol....we need better PC's. I just don't see how devs make these and can run with 10FPS...wow....

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Yes, but over the NY city area? Unless you fly there a lot, is that a valid indication of LVL-D767 FPS?

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I have my framerates locked at 25 and the LDS maintains it very well. Very nice to be flying in one of the "best of the Best" again. Between this and the Maddog I'm happy!

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>wow...i was thinking about it....not with 8-9 fps though...>>I really think this is a problem for the future. Remember the>FPS hit that these sort of planes had on FS9? The levelD cut>my FPS in half compared to the default 737 in FS9!!! Halfing>the fps in FSX is deadly lol....we need better PC's. I just>don't see how devs make these and can run with>10FPS...wow....>>For the upgrade price it's not bad! Just reduce traffic and maybe some autogen, and I think you can get a decent flight,and remember right now this is the only game in town that gives us systems! I would have to think twice though at full price!!

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well it shouldn't matter, he said with default he was getting high teens to 20, with the 76 hes getting 8-9granted, yes, nyc is crazy hard on fps...but it's just halfing the fps...yikes

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>Yes, but over the NY city area? Unless you fly there a lot,>is that a valid indication of LVL-D767 FPS?I'm consistantly getting the same performance as the CS-757 which actually in most areas not as dense is flyable at times around 20 fps, it does drop down to 13-14 around the terminals at major airports like LAX, but I think it may be ok for most places. Mind you this is with Fair weather, add some clouds and it may be another ball game! (ASX has a problem right now) I'll check out ASV6.5. Also I have a high end system, so your mileage will vary here depending on your box!Ok Setting Heavy TS storms globally in ASV6.5, with the Overland 767 I get 25 FPS average sitting at KSEA Rnwy 34R, With the LDS that drops to 15-16 FPS. So while that is flyable on my system, and I can get more if I reduce my systems more, lesser performing systems I think is going to have trouble. This was always the fear with these types of addon's for FSX. Is that FSX just doesn't have the overhead to support them, without stripping detail from it. We got our first glimpse with the CS-757, this just goes to confirm it!

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I also had some hope that the FSX version would be optimized and give me at least a flyable VC around big cities. No way and I don't blame the LDS team. I hope the FSX spectacular step forward for the 6 people who can actually use it is appreciated. LOL.The best I can do (with all sliders left) is around 10 to 12 fps (VC) with the nothing but blue sky and away from major cities. Around KPHL it is un-flyable in the VC and the 2d panel provides little relief. Stutter stutter while watching textures load.What good is it to own FSX when I have to strip it down to look like FS98? I'll go through the recommended tweaks by Phil Talyor and try some of the frankensteined changes to auto gen etc. So far for me (and my present computer) FSX is exceptionally puzzling relative to project goals; specifically create a new flight simulator that Bob can't use. LOL.But I have wonderful world in FS9 to fly. :)Bob...

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Not too great at the moment then?Mmmm, I wonder what the PMDG 744 & MD-11 will be like then. Can't say I'm too optimistic at the moment - though, hopefully, I'll be proved wrong.

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Yep, FPS sucks pretty much. I have a new system (E6600, 8800GTS etc) and its just not good with the LDS 767. You know what I would really like to see from developers? Efficient add-ons. AXP is doing it, I hope others try to catch up. When we install these add-ons, you have to move all the freaking sliders so far to the left you might as well just play FS9 because the graphics at that point are pretty similar. I think FSX is great but with complex add-ons its just a dud. I just got this machine a week ago, and I'm already starting to feel like I'm going to have to upgrade. There has got to be a better way, and I hope developers find it otherwise we're going to go through this lame cycle everytime a new version of FS comes out.

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>Yep, FPS sucks pretty much. I have a new system (E6600,>8800GTS etc) and its just not good with the LDS 767. >>You know what I would really like to see from developers? >Efficient add-ons. AXP is doing it, I hope others try to>catch up. When we install these add-ons, you have to move all>the freaking sliders so far to the left you might as well just>play FS9 because the graphics at that point are pretty>similar. I think FSX is great but with complex add-ons its>just a dud. I just got this machine a week ago, and I'm>already starting to feel like I'm going to have to upgrade.>There has got to be a better way, and I hope developers find>it otherwise we're going to go through this lame cycle>everytime a new version of FS comes out. Rats. Can't afford the already meagre overhead. I was in the process of downloading but stopped when I read the fps hits. I have the FS9 version which worked very well frame wise. Was very pleased with it. Unfortunately this is a no go in FSX for me.P4 3.6 Ghz HT, 2 gig ddr ram, ATI X800XT 256 mb PCIe

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I am thinking it might be a bit early to completely write off this product.It's been released less than an hour and already people are drawing negative conclusions about performance under FSXI'll hold my opinion until I have had time to fairly evaluate the aircraft.Bryan

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Forget the fps, I cannot load the plane.I get a nasty "reinstall the 767" and then a CTD.Something about the panel cannot load.Luckily I love helicopters and small GA planes.Cause Im afraid thats all FSX is going to be good at.Well maybe blimps....

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Len wrote:"I was in the process of downloading but stopped when I read the fps hits."I wouldn't write it off on the basis of a few reports of FPS issues.Frame rate issues can be so nebulous and machine specific, that unless absolutely everyone reports it, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Not to dismiss the earlier claims of FPS issues, but that's just the way things generally go in this area.Still, great news about the 767 FSX all the same though.The good news from FS2Crew's point of view is that the SDK/API FS2Crew uses has been unchanged more or less, so getting an FSX FS2Crew 767 version shouldn't (hopefully) take too long.Cheers,Bryan

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I have a smaller system, P4 3.0ghz HT (on), 1gb RAM DDR333, nVidia 6800 GS/XT 256mb (AGP) and with sliders somewhere near middle on all, I get 20-30 FPS. Have you tried renaming the default.xml (autogen) file at all? if not, give it a go...It seriously put me back in the game for playing. I even have AI turned on at 10% GA/Airliners, 20% vehicles/boats/tankers.

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>You know what I would really like to see from developers? >Efficient add-ons. AXP is doing it, I hope others try to>catch up. I agree-- I like that performance is one of the features AXP has been advertising.... hopefully the product reflects those promises.I'd also like to see more developers do what ASX did and look to take more advantage of extra cores. If we ignore blurries (or assume there will be a solution at some point), a lot of us now have dual core machines, and really I think we could get by without virtually the entire 2nd core being dedicated to texture work.And actually, ACES may essentially give an automatic dual-core boost to addons with the DX10 patch. Phil has mentioned that they are looking into making the DX calls from the 2nd core-- that would presumably open up more CPU on the main FSX thread for things like addons. Of course, this would apply only to people with both dual-core machines AND a DX10 card.... but that should be a much more common setup by the time the patch is out.

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>Forget the fps, I cannot load the plane.>I get a nasty "reinstall the 767" and then a CTD.>Something about the panel cannot load.>Luckily I love helicopters and small GA planes.>Cause Im afraid thats all FSX is going to be good at.>Well maybe blimps....I had the same error. Download and install the latest FSUIPC (June 1) and you should be OK. Also, every one's mileage is different with FSX and since Flight1 offers a refund; give it a try. For me it makes no sense to keep trying FSX for heavies. I still enjoy flying the FSD planes and the FeelThere Legacy in the boonies. :)Bob...

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My experience is decent. Sitting on the runway at KSEA with 20% Ultimate Traffic-X, real weather (cloudy), i get 16-18 FPS in the 2D cockpit. My setting are most sliders high and no autogen.Its very flyable and once I tweak some more, I should be able to fly from the VC. Those with better machines really need to check their settings.Athlon 64-3800dual, 2 G, PC3200 memory, ATI XT800PE video card. AA-6, AF-16. 1280x1024 on LCD monitor.

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Reinstalled fsuipc did the trick.From my 30 minutes or so flying around lightly ai airports, my FPS is surprisingly good on my upper end system.No better or worse than the Wilco CitationX.Overall it gives me some hope heavies are possible in FSX.BTW-Have not flown in big cities with lots of AI or in heavy weather.

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