Are clouds the best ever now? I'm impressed.

[Noel 4,486]

6 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Can you post screenshots of when the sim had this depiction quality?

What depiction quality?  I was speculating that Asobo would get back to more focus on cloud depiction quality after they optimize DX12.

[HiFlyer 9,343]

6 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Can you post screenshots of when the sim had this depiction quality?

One thing I can absolutely guarantee, is that one persons satisfied Perfection picture will be another person's oh my God that's so ugly picture.

 

[Alvega 2,119]

24 minutes ago, Noel said:

After all, how hard is to code something to be so complex the hardware/software can't cope with it?

Lol, that doesn't make any sense. You wanted them to waste their time coding something that people wouldn't be able to use?

[icewater5 181]

17 hours ago, March Hare said:

I get the impression this is what some people want, or even expect, to see in the simulator. But it absolutely is years out of reach -- beyond current technology.

Good point, but what about self-learning algorithmic programs? .

Non-programmers (like me) , are the worst for saying 'it can easily be done, i know it can easily be done' lol, but this is on the internet somewhere (even referenced to msfs 2020 and worldwide animal placements) . maybe clouds. I would guess not so many years.

Obviously broadband/streaming services would need to be optimized, but in theory why cant nearly all processing power be moved from the user to the game distributor ? I just dont understand what the server side hardware limits are, down the road.

Edited July 30, 2022 by icewater5

[Noel 4,486]

12 hours ago, Alvega said:

Lol, that doesn't make any sense. You wanted them to waste their time coding something that people wouldn't be able to use?

Ahh, but that's just the point--in a 10yr project to implement a slider control that always lets the latest and greatest hardware deliver the best possible experience in cloud depiction/resolution is a very good thing.  My contention is the greatest weakness in cloud depiction has mostly to do with resolution/density.  I'm not talking about coding something entirely different for better hardware--only talking resolution/density as a user-selectable variable depending on their hardware's processing capabilities.   A good parallel to this is the Terrain LOD control that greatly impacts CPU utilization.  My 9900K at 4.9gHz allows me to set T-LOD from 110 at the most complex arrival airports, to upwards of 300 on modest rural airports, and everything in between.  A 12900K would let me set T-LOD to probably 180-400.  This is all I'm talking about as it would apply to cloud resolution/density.  And in another few years that much more.   

[March Hare 720]

58 minutes ago, icewater5 said:

Good point, but what about self-learning algorithmic programs? .

Non-programmers (like me) , are the worst for saying 'it cane easily be done, i know it can easily be done' lol, but this is on the internet somewhere (even referenced to msfs 2020 and worldwide animal placements) . maybe clouds. I would guess not so many years.

That's artificial intelligence. Irrelevant. It won't help the real-time rendering capabilities of contemporary hardware. You'll see demos for the latest Unreal Engine showing off their "meta human" rendering, which shows fairly realistic looking human characters (from shoulders up), but it's not a particularly genuine showcase, because there's no way you'll see an actual game populated with multiple characters looking that realistic.

Now, MSFS could potentially display even more realistic clouds right now -- if there was nothing else going on in the game. Then it might be called Microsoft Cloud Simulator. It wouldn't be particularly interesting after the initial "Wow, look at those clouds", but where is the ground and the aeroplanes...

Bringing me to something Noel said about suspecting that Asobo are holding back for performance reasons. Well, yes, that's exactly what developers have to do with every game they create, because you can't have "this here" without losing something in "that there".

And then something else Noel said along the lines of creating the appearance of complexity with the least resources. Again, that's exactly what games developers do: create illusions (except there is often a lot of complexity in the code still). But everything you see on the screen really is illusion. There are limitations and gaps in the magic curtain that you might see through.

You can't avoid limitations of hardware. If you could code round hardware, you wouldn't need new GPUs and CPUs.

And on that point, you need new GPUs and CPUs before you can code for them properly.

Edited July 30, 2022 by March Hare

[icewater5 181]

29 minutes ago, March Hare said:

That's artificial intelligence. Irrelevant. It won't help the real-time rendering capabilities of contemporary hardware.

You can't avoid limitations of hardware. If you could code round hardware, you wouldn't need new GPUs and CPUs.

And on that point, you need new GPUs and CPUs before you can code for them properly.

Is that a hardware limitation, gpus/cpus on the user side ?,

Edited July 30, 2022 by icewater5

[Cpt_Piett 4,521]

1 hour ago, March Hare said:

You'll see demos for the latest Unreal Engine showing off their "meta human" rendering, which shows fairly realistic looking human characters (from shoulders up), but it's not a particularly genuine showcase, because there's no way you'll see an actual game populated with multiple characters looking that realistic.

If you want to see realistic looking humans (and more importanly, androids!) - better go play Chicago: Become human Detroit: Become human. IMO that looks quite incredible. At times. But I guess that's not your point. 

Edited July 30, 2022 by Cpt_Piett

[March Hare 720]

1 hour ago, icewater5 said:

Is that a hardware limitation, gpus/cpus on the user side ?,

And the developer side. Sure, my brother needed 100GB RAM for a game he was working on, but on the user side you won't need that to run the finished product. But it's still the same CPUs and GPUs in his development systems as you and I.

[March Hare 720]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

If you want to see realistic looking humans (and more importanly, androids!) - better go play Chicago: Become human Detroit: Become human. IMO that looks quite incredible. At times. But I guess that's not your point. 

Their other game, Heavy Rain, had great character models for the time, quite realistic at times (in the cutscenes, when all the gamey stuff doesn't need to run) -- so that wasn't my point, no haha But there sure are some realistic depictions of characters and environments in games, at certain moments 😉

[mrueedi 702]

On 7/28/2022 at 11:40 PM, ThomseN_inc said:

Those clouds look awful to be honest!

Whether they are aweful is a matter of taste. Not everybody likes every type of clouds. Much more important is, that they are realistic. There are plenty of real clouds, that look like these.

[ThomseN_inc 1,128]

37 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

Whether they are aweful is a matter of taste. Not everybody likes every type of clouds. Much more important is, that they are realistic. There are plenty of real clouds, that look like these.

They dont look that realistic imho. The lighting and colours is just off....might be the filter used. just my  opinion.

Take a look at the screenshot posted somewhat later which shows a way more real looking sky.

[MrBitstFlyer 3,824]

4 hours ago, ThomseN_inc said:

They dont look that realistic imho

Look very good to me in SU10!

Edited July 31, 2022 by MrBitstFlyer

[sightseer 895]

23 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Look very good to me in SU10!

Your second shot, what season and time of day is that?

I'd like to know if the odd yellowishness that occurs in lesser light/winter is fixed in SU10?  Could you check Australia cumulus midday please? (without filters)

All of those clouds are blue to me as they should be imo.  Their SU5 to SU9 lighting tends to turn clouds brown in lesser light and the shadows are often way too dark.

like the clouds on the right side of this pic: (which I think were taken before they made shadows even darker)

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by sightseer

[Alpine Scenery 1,609]

Some of it is a general issue in the game lighting, it also happens to buildings.
Certain textures can completely change color in the game even with small shifts of lighting (like say 1pm to 4pm).
The shadows tend to mix a heavy yellow or brown bias into whatever color they are shadowing.

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Alpine Scenery