19 minutes ago, rka said:

I'll think about that next time one of my comments is hidden, I receive a time off or a thread gets closed because "it has run its course" 😉

You’ve joined a private forum and agreed to the rules. If you don’t like them there is no compunction to stay.

6 hours ago, steve310002 said:

Okay. Thanks for telling me what my opinion should be. Of course no one around here is entitled to an opinion of their own anymore without being told off for it. I had forgotten, dude.

I'm actually saying  your opinion kinda sucks....imo. You've been ignoring the evidence brought to you on a topic that has been discussed to death already. People who had your opinion have gone into hiding since the SU10 Beta started for a reason. You're getting into something that will probably get the thread locked if it gets out of hand. You were not told off so try not to be so sensitive.

2 hours ago, March Hare said:

When I refer to cloud detail and quality, I'm not limiting my outlook to resolution (which can be a memory problem in itself to overcome), but thinking more in terms of overall cloud depiction too, i.e. wispy and feathered clouds

Me also, exactly.   My guess was that it's difficult to get wispy and feathered with the resolution we're seeing today, so improving resolution seems like the first step towards improving cloud depiction quality.  I focused on the 'blow us away' comment a while back when I first read it and have been waiting patiently!  One Q&A a while back someone brought up the question of cloud morphology and Asobo said they were going to be working on this in 2022.  My sense now is that cloud depiction is already in the ballpark and if depiction can advance by say 20% we'll be in good enough shape for the longer haul until next gen depiction is possible. 

The grid artifact as mentioned was a side effect of NVCP's sharpening routine which I had set at default, 0.5 on the 0 to 1.0 scale.  I set this at 1.0 to test the idea and sure enough it was far worse.  However, setting this to 0 made ground visuals terribly blurry, and I really value sharp/crisp.  I discovered setting that at 0.22 solves that and artifact is more subtle.  I need to try using the GE sharpening filter and see if that's better with regard to both issues of retaining crisp textures while minimizing arifact.

8 minutes ago, Noel said:

I need to try using the GE sharpening filter and see if that's better with regard to both issues of retaining crisp textures while minimizing arifact.

I can't remember if I've mentioned this already (this thread is getting quite long), but I've found that disabling sharpening (and film grain) in usercfg.opt and fine-tuning these values with GE produced somewhat better looking clouds. Not by a huge amount though. 

1 minute ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I can't remember if I've mentioned this already (this thread is getting quite long), but I've found that disabling sharpening (and film grain) in usercfg.opt and fine-tuning these values with GE produced somewhat better looking clouds. Not by a huge amount though. 

I tried disabling sharpening and film grain and vignette and it had no impact on the grid artifact.  As I say sharp crisp imagery is worth a little cloud edge artifact as I really can't stand soft/blurry ground textures, even slightly so!

 

3 minutes ago, Noel said:

I tried disabling sharpening and film grain and vignette and it had no impact on the grid artifact.  As I say sharp crisp imagery is worth a little cloud edge artifact as I really can't stand soft/blurry ground textures, even slightly so!

 

I recommend disabling in usercfg.opt then adjusting settings in GE. I had fairly good results with this, getting overall sharper imagery whilst removing some of the cloud graininess. One of the advantages is that Nvidia GE has sliders whereas in MSFS the settings are either on or off. 

By the way they introduced a new sharpening slider in the graphics setting menu in SU10, but I haven't really tried it out. 

1 hour ago, Noel said:

The grid artifact as mentioned was a side effect of NVCP's sharpening routine

You're seeing it clearly because of the sharpening method, but it really is the voxel grid that you're seeing rather than a side effect (artefact) of NVCP. I can see it too (sometimes), and always if I zoom in. I don't have sharpening set in control panel.

I did some admittedly brief testing on this, especially to see if my theory about dynamic resolution scaling might be true, and I think I was right about that. I know that I only see the voxel grid clearly on occasion, usually when clouds are getting more voluminous and detailed, so I went through every preset after clear skies. On most of the presets (few clouds, scattered, broken...) I don't see the voxels unless I zoom right in, get closer to the screen and look really hard. The voxels are tiny, and you can see them forming (turning on) and vice versa as the cloud shapes morph. You can also tell the antialiasing is at work. But when I switch to stormy weather, when the simulation is dealing with stronger wind simulation, lightning, rain... the voxels become chunky (lower resolution), very obvious when zoomed all the way in, and antialiasing isn't working so well.

This is also why I think they're using nearest-neighbour interpolation to save on resources, because trilinear would make the voxels "vanish" but also make the clouds quite blurred even with sharpening, as well as slowing down rendering time by quite a multiple. So, even though you can see the voxels using nearest-neighbour, it's the all-round best option for most of the time (when grid resolution is dynamically higher).

Only Asobo know for sure what their methods are, but, yes, it's definitely the voxel grid being exposed more by sharpening.

Edited August 4, 20223 yr by March Hare

To the OP @Todd2 Just read your original post on Page 1 and certainly not into the marathon of 47 pages! Yes, the clouds are indeed outstanding. An impressive piece of technology by ASOBO Studios overlaid on the best flight sim scenery platform to-date! Long gone are the days of pixelation and repeating cloud images! As Real As It Gets!

3 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

By the way they introduced a new sharpening slider in the graphics setting menu in SU10

Great!

2 hours ago, Doering said:

To the OP @Todd2 Just read your original post on Page 1 and certainly not into the marathon of 47 pages! Yes, the clouds are indeed outstanding. An impressive piece of technology by ASOBO Studios overlaid on the best flight sim scenery platform to-date! Long gone are the days of pixelation and repeating cloud images! As Real As It Gets!

Yes wasn't sure I'd get any responses haha. 

5 hours ago, Noel said:

I tried disabling sharpening and film grain and vignette and it had no impact on the grid artifact.  As I say sharp crisp imagery is worth a little cloud edge artifact as I really can't stand soft/blurry ground textures, even slightly so!

 

Try this for great ground sharpeness.  I don't use any sharpening filters outside of MSFS.

Set sharpening to 1 in the MSFS UseCfg.opt file. I have the FSR sharpening filter in MSFS bumped up to 130. I have RenderScaling set to 130 for my 1440p monitor.

Ground textures are amazing as far as the eye can see.

5 hours ago, Krakin said:

You're getting into something that will probably get the thread locked if it gets out of hand.

You might want to look in the mirror. Going around telling people their opinion sucks. Who on earth do you think you are? Unbelievable what these once great forums have descended into. Mods would be doing well to warn you for insulting others.

11 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

You might want to look in the mirror. Going around telling people their opinion sucks. Who on earth do you think you are? Unbelievable what these once great forums have descended into. Mods would be doing well to warn you for insulting others.

Are you trying to use the mods to suppress me having an opinion of your hasty conclusion? Come on now, let's not be so childish. No one insulted you. You're probably a brilliant person but what you said wasn't brilliant at all. Again, just my opinion.

37 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

You might want to look in the mirror. Going around telling people their opinion sucks. Who on earth do you think you are? Unbelievable what these once great forums have descended into. Mods would be doing well to warn you for insulting others.

Telling someone their opinion sucks isn't an insult.

It's rude sure, but it's not an insult. It's also their opinion, just like yours.

Edited August 4, 20223 yr by Tuskin38

43 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Telling someone their opinion sucks isn't an insult.

I said it's insulting, not an insult. There is a subtle difference, just like the clouds. And since when is being rude okay? Is it the norm now to be a bully instead of having civilized discourse and accepting everyone has a right to an opinion, not just the ones you prefer (unless that opinion is harmful)?

Edited August 4, 20223 yr by steve310002