5 hours ago, JacquesBrel said:

SimMarket should change their name to "The Cashgrab and Shovelware SimShack"

You should educate yourself before making these types of comments. Simmarket is not a developer, nor a retailer, they’re simply a broker that offers a platform for developers to sell their products.  In return, they take 25/30 percent of the aggregate sales price. They do not support the product, nor guarantee its functionality.  They do provide an aperture via comments section to educate potential buyers. 

If you think this is bad go look at Taburet, which is waaaaay more prolific in their various 7-12$ offerings

39 minutes ago, Noel said:

I sent the Dev my honest opinion and just got this back, so we'll see:

Hello,

Thank you for the feedback. We are currently reworking all of our bird animations to be more realistic and random. We hope to release the updates soon! 

 

Regards 

 

Tyler 

Southoakco.com 

Well glad they're seemingly receptive. The response from their target market couldnt be clearer. Along with technical improvements, the pricing structure needs revisiting too.

Guess I’m the outlier, I’ve bought this for some of the regions I fly in most often and find it to be decent for the low cost.  It’s cool seeing some birds whizz by the cockpit (or the opposite realistically I guess) on final approach.  

1 hour ago, kingm56 said:

You should educate yourself before making these types of comments. Simmarket is not a developer, nor a retailer, they’re simply a broker that offers a platform for developers to sell their products.  In return, they take 25/30 percent of the aggregate sales price. They do not support the product, nor guarantee its functionality.  They do provide an aperture via comments section to educate potential buyers. 

I know how SimMarket operates, thanks. My comment was a critique of the amount of trash sold on SimMarket. The amount of trash is a result of how SimMarket chooses to operate. If they at least had a big flashing neon sign above the entrance saying "CAVEAT EMPTOR" so all buyers know what they get into, then I wouldn't be so critical of SimMarket's business model.

Edited June 22, 20223 yr by JacquesBrel

9 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Cash grab.

Do you believe I should consult a shrink ? 🥴

18 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Do you believe I should consult a shrink ? 🥴

Is that a rhetorical question David or do you want an answer?😈

If you find a good one, let me know, I did the same thing. 🙂 

I find the product ok, not perfect but it does add something.

24 minutes ago, vgbaron said:

If you find a good one, let me know, I did the same thing. 🙂

I found several shrinks but they all went crazy after the second session ! 😄
 

 

I remember seeing this awhile ago and thought, "OH only $9.48, that sounds fair, let's check it out!"....after a minute I realized that it was $9.48 for each region...ugh, no thanks. It looks like a fun idea, but to be honest, depending on what type of flying you're doing...you don't see or notice birds very much. Occasionally you'll see one cruising on a thermal when you're on final, causing you to physically move away from it in your seat lol. I guess personally I don't notice/care about birds in flight enough to spend that much money (over $100 USD for the whole world) to have it in sim. I would, however spend that much if these birds could be hit and cause damage. It'd be a rare occurrence, but it'd add another layer to think about, and cause you to heed the "Birds in vicinity of airport" warning on ATIS. But, that'd take cooperation between the devs to implement something like that, I'd imagine. As "neat" as something like this is, it's just not feature rich enough for me to justify the price. 

18 minutes ago, V1ROTA7E said:

(over $100 USD for the whole world)

WELL over that.    They still have Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania to cover. There's got to be another 10 packs at least with that lot.   It's going to over $200 for the world!

I'm the last person to be judging peoples sanity, but from where I'm sitting, anyone who thinks that's reasonable has completely lost touch with reality 😄

6 hours ago, kingm56 said:

You should educate yourself before making these types of comments. Simmarket is not a developer, nor a retailer, they’re simply a broker that offers a platform for developers to sell their products.  In return, they take 25/30 percent of the aggregate sales price. They do not support the product, nor guarantee its functionality.  They do provide an aperture via comments section to educate potential buyers. 

Err, what you've described is a retailer.  Almost all other FS retailers work in the same way.  It does not absolve Simmarket of applying their own discretion and quality control; in rejecting some products that are simply fanciful nothingness with a price tag.   The number of PDF "guides" for sale there - along the lines of "better AA in X-Plane!" etc is just silly.   

As for your comment on their "aperture via comments section to educate potential buyers" (what most people refer to as a review) - well, most are published, however I have posted 2 in the last few weeks that never appeared (both negative reviews); one for the "Cockspur Aeroprakt A22".    Wrote the review, submitted it, got the "Thanks for your review" comment, yet the review never appeared.

Edited June 22, 20223 yr by JYW

9 hours ago, JYW said:

Err, what you've described is a retailer.  Almost all other FS retailers work in the same way.  It does not absolve Simmarket of applying their own discretion and quality control; in rejecting some products that are simply fanciful nothingness with a price tag.   The number of PDF "guides" for sale there - along the lines of "better AA in X-Plane!" etc is just silly.   

As for your comment on their "aperture via comments section to educate potential buyers" (what most people refer to as a review) - well, most are published, however I have posted 2 in the last few weeks that never appeared (both negative reviews); one for the "Cockspur Aeroprakt A22".    Wrote the review, submitted it, got the "Thanks for your review" comment, yet the review never appeared.

Err, how about google the difference between a broker and retailer?  You clearly have no education on the subject; yet, that doesn’t seem to stop you from offering baseless opinions and accusing people of ‘Money Grabs.’  A broker does not own a product/asset, they simply facilitate transactions between a buyer and seller. Conversely, a retailer actually buys/owns (in most cases) the product/assets they sell directly to the consumer. As the owner, the retailer has an obligation to ensure quality the brokers do not. The latter is simply a platform for the product owners to sell their products.  It’s up to the consumer to determine if said product is worth the price, not the middle man facilitating the transaction.  Blaming Simmarket and accusing them of grabbing cash is just silly. Think of them as realtors; I’ve never met a realtor who wouldn’t sell any house, even if it was rundown.  Again, they have no obligation to ensure the quality of the home; they just present the option to the buyer….that’s Simmarket.

1 hour ago, kingm56 said:

You clearly have no education on the subject; yet, that doesn’t seem to stop you from offering baseless opinions and accusing people of ‘Money Grabs.’

It is not a "baseless opinion" that there are plenty of sellers on SimMarket that sell low-effort, low-quality products where the price far from matches what you get. Do you fundamentally disagree with that?

You can nitpick all you want about what sort of business that SimMarket is. At the end of the day, their business model facilitates that there are customers that get burnt. Sure, the main part of the blame is on the sellers, but we are also entitled to point the finger on the webstore, especially when they are selling a type of product where the customers cannot get any refund.

Steam will refund your game purchase if you've played less than two hours. Amazon will refund your money if you return the stuff you bought from The Shenzen Supercheap Seller of Fragile Plastic Things in Guangdong. Both will refuse products/sellers that are too fishy. SimMarket will sell anything from anyone, and apparently the only way a customer can avoid getting burnt on a product is that a numer of customers before him have been burnt and have taken the time to write a product review instead of just throwing the trash in the bin and forgetting about it. It is SimMarket's own choice to operate the way they do, and it is not being "uneducated" when you are critical of that choice.

I eagerly await Asobo's free seasons release because they have mentioned more than once that "seasons" to them is more than just tree leaf and ground colour, it is about things like birds migrating, etc. Hopefully they will be able to add random birds around and depending on the season they will be travelling realistically South or North depending on season. Cannot wait to see what else they plan on adding to help immersion in the seasons release.

They said "if we're going to do it, we are going to do it right".

I'll wait on Asobo or Bijan to add such features on a worldwide scale.