Real World/ Real Time Airport Activity in MSFS??

[kiek 1,213]

3 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Thank you for that great run-down. I’m planning to use AIG.

Good idea.

After you have installed AIG it is very easy to test RealTraffic+PSXT too because that works with the AIG liveries also. Then you can compare both programs your self.

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[Cpt_Piett 4,544]

3 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Thank you for that great run-down. I’m planning to use AIG. Do you suggest using the MSFS AI traffic or the AIG injector?

Does the default ATC chat with the AI traffic to liven up the radio?  What about Pilot2ATC? That’s another add-on I’m considering. 

No worries 🙂 I would prefer using the AIG injector (it's an executable called the traffic controller). The reason for that is

1)  There will generally be more AI aircraft at airports around the world, including parked aircraft (make sure to set "ground aircraft density" to zero in MSFS options)

2) since the AIG flight plans are offline, the amount of AI traffic is not dependent on the time you use your sim. 

3) the AIG traffic controller has a slider for amount of traffic which is useful if the main thread gets (too) hammered

The default ATC does indeed chat with AIG AI traffic which is a big plus IMO compared to RealTraffic. Just a note however that it can be very tricky to get your IFR and taxi clearances in at busy airports like Heathrow 😉 I set  my FO to do this. 

I haven't tried Pilot2ATC. 

[alex86 192]

RealTraffic, PSX, AIG liveries coupled with Live ATC is the most realistic and immersive route you can go. I don’t fly without it. 

[abranpuko 369]

18 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Yes it does. They never promised real world liveries or models for the launch of the sim.

None of the advertising they did for live traffic was misleading. The official footage of online traffic that they showed before launch used the same generic models we have now. 

All these planes are MSFS live traffic.

 

Do not get confused. The fact that they appear on the Littlenavmap map does not mean that they work well. Planes go crazy to land, go at slow speeds in airports. Some don't take off. Others do not land. Some rotate. And many of the real planes that are captured by radar do not appear even if they are in default. The reality, my friend, is that unfortunately, actual air traffic is very poor or non-existent.

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[abranpuko 369]

18 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Yes it does. They never promised real world liveries or models for the launch of the sim.

None of the advertising they did for live traffic was misleading. The official footage of online traffic that they showed before launch used the same generic models we have now. 

All these planes are MSFS live traffic.

this is OTHH on flightradar, and the same airport at the same hour in MSFS. 10 minutes after they havent even moved.

 

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[Virtual-Chris 682]

4 hours ago, alex86 said:

RealTraffic, PSX, AIG liveries coupled with Live ATC is the most realistic and immersive route you can go. I don’t fly without it. 

Can you please elaborate on how this solution is more immersive?  What does it do better than the full AIG solution with default ATC chatter?

[Dave_YVR 968]

22 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

It would descend towards the runway, then ascend, do a loop an repeat. I followed it with the sim drone camera, and watched it on LittleNavMap and compared to flight aware.

Interesting, as everything I've seen is that the Real Time traffic will often use different runways, routes and altitudes. There's also just too little traffic even around NYC and large cities compared to injected traffic. 

[Alvega 2,119]

2 hours ago, abranpuko said:

this is OTHH on flightradar, and the same airport at the same hour in MSFS. 10 minutes after they havent even moved.

 

 

MSFS uses FlightAware, not FlightRadar. Just loaded in OTHH with live traffic and immediately planes started pushing back and taxiing to the runways. Default scenery here. And I see those flights in FlightAware.

Used Aerosoft Simple Traffic here just for the sim to load faster for this test, when I'm flying I use AIG with live traffic.

Something must be wrong with your traffic or scenery. Try with default scenery.

 

 

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[alex86 192]

1 hour ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Can you please elaborate on how this solution is more immersive?  What does it do better than the full AIG solution with default ATC chatter?

RealTraffic uses actual LIVE ADSB data, so if an airplane for instance has an emergency, and wants to return to the airport, PSXT will show that airplane returning to the airport based on exactly what it’s doing in real life. You’ll see airplanes following SIDS, STARs, exit runways based on what the actual airplane is doing in real life, real time taxi, holds, basically everything that the actual airplanes are doing in real life. All other AI solutions, as far as I know, are based on schedules and FlightAware data, but integrated into the standard MSFS AI code. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. 
In essence, you can listen to live atc from websites like LiveATC.net, and follow along airplanes in the sim with RealTraffic. Atc tells the airplane to turn left on B, right on K1, hold short of A, and that’s what you’ll see in the sim. 

[kiek 1,213]

41 minutes ago, alex86 said:

RealTraffic uses actual LIVE ADSB data, so if an airplane for instance has an emergency, and wants to return to the airport, PSXT will show that airplane returning to the airport based on exactly what it’s doing in real life. You’ll see airplanes following SIDS, STARs, exit runways based on what the actual airplane is doing in real life, real time taxi, holds, basically everything that the actual airplanes are doing in real life. All other AI solutions, as far as I know, are based on schedules and FlightAware data, but integrated into the standard MSFS AI code. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. 
In essence, you can listen to live atc from websites like LiveATC.net, and follow along airplanes in the sim with RealTraffic. Atc tells the airplane to turn left on B, right on K1, hold short of A, and that’s what you’ll see in the sim. 

And on top of that  PSXT can populate your airport with parked aircraft at gates, with the real airline and type at that hour of the day. So no EasyJets or RyanAirs in Boston..

[alex86 192]

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[Tuskin38 6,460]

2 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

Interesting, as everything I've seen is that the Real Time traffic will often use different runways, routes and altitudes. There's also just too little traffic even around NYC and large cities compared to injected traffic. 

I think the difference here was that the airport it was testing at wasn't the arrival airport listed on Flight Aware, so it wasn't been controlled by the AI, only flightaware's data.

After it was done testing the ILS it flew off and landed at the arrival airport listed on the flight plan, just like the real life aircraft.

Aircraft MSFS decides spawn is based off certain criteria, but Asobo hasn't said what they are. I think one of them is that the flight data requires an arrival airport, and maybe a departure one.

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[Tuskin38 6,460]

  

7 hours ago, abranpuko said:

 

Do not get confused. The fact that they appear on the Littlenavmap map does not mean that they work well. Planes go crazy to land, go at slow speeds in airports. Some don't take off. Others do not land. Some rotate. And many of the real planes that are captured by radar do not appear even if they are in default. The reality, my friend, is that unfortunately, actual air traffic is very poor or non-existent.

Nothing here backs up your claim of false advertising.

 

  

7 hours ago, abranpuko said:

this is OTHH on flightradar, and the same airport at the same hour in MSFS. 10 minutes after they havent even moved.

Pretty sure those are static models. Live traffic shows up on the VFR map like so:

 

RJTT 23:35 Zulu

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[abranpuko 369]

11 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

 Nothing here backs up your claim of false advertising.

Of course. Real traffic doesn't behave like that.

Pretty sure those are static models. Live traffic shows up on the VFR map like so:

watch out! you have two planes almost stuck landing on the same runway! must be the realism of real air traffic 🙂

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