2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Cpt_Piett, thanks. Sounds like some aspects have improved since FSX but two big ones remain.

No worries. Another thing is that if you're told to go around, you are instructed to fly the published missed approach. Which I think is quite impressive with default ATC. Another thing is that with most STARs and approaches, ATC will have you descend as per the published altitudes, as I think someone else mentioned. If there's no IFR approach however, ATC descent instructions will often be all over the place.

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

, but that day was over 2 decades ago. In terms of software ?"  😉

In terms of software and in terms of changes in the FAA (USA at least) - they are vast.  In my 15 years as ATC the phraseology has changed many many times.

It's clear MSFS needs a serious ATC overhaul.

 

8 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Cpt_Piett, thanks. Sounds like some aspects have improved since FSX but two big ones remain.

There is lots of room for serious improvements but again it does some things the old ATC never did and I do value them.  My sense is it's somewhat in placeholder-status, that is to say tolerable, but not undergoing focused development currently and that at some point it will be a focal point for development, we hope.  I have come to value stuff that is included and works well so hope Asobo continues to develop weather and ATC as I value using default components over 3rd party addons for these essentially basic, but big, components.

39 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

... but you cannot request takeoff clearance until you're at the holding point

Going back to your earlier post don’t pilots wait at the holding point until cleared to line up and wait? At major airports that’s certainly the case.

Once lined up the Tower will issue the take-off clearance.

”Another thing is that with most STARs and approaches, ATC will have you descend as per the published altitudes, as I think someone else mentioned. If there's no IFR approach however, ATC descent instructions will often be all over the place.”

Clearly more work is required on the trigonometry. That’s the hardest part to master and the reason there are so few 3rd party ATC programs on the market.

37 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

In terms of software and in terms of changes in the FAA (USA at least) - they are vast.  In my 15 years as ATC the phraseology has changed many many times.

It's clear MSFS needs a serious ATC overhaul.

The only one I’m aware of is “taxi into position and hold” is now aligned with the ICAO “line up and wait”.

Why do you guys keep using the OP's thread where he asks for help with a specific situation to your discussion about ATC? I don't get it. Don't you see this is off-topic? Even a mod here?

No wonder he doesn't come back to the thread. Shame on you.

If it was my thread I would be really word not allowed off.

Edited August 6, 20223 yr by Alvega

15 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Once lined up the Tower will issue the take-off clearance.

Yes but in MSFS when you reach the holding point you then contact tower and request take-off clearance. If there is either traffic on the runway or on approach, you are told to hold short. When it's your turn you are either cleared for take-off or "line up and wait". 

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

In terms of software and in terms of changes in the FAA (USA at least) - they are vast.  In my 15 years as ATC the phraseology has changed many many times.

It's clear MSFS needs a serious ATC overhaul.

 

Shhhh, what do you know it's only what you do for a living 😉  

to answer the OP's question; YES! especially if you are anywhere near the Bahamas.. 🤣🤣🤣

2 hours ago, Alvega said:

Why do you guys keep using the OP's thread where he asks for help with a specific situation to your discussion about ATC? I don't get it. Don't you see this is off-topic? Even a mod here?

No wonder he doesn't come back to the thread. Shame on you.

If it was my thread I would be really word not allowed off.

lol

well heres a clue for you, just that starting a thread about msfs2020 atc and crack cocaine combined was never going to end that good 🙂

just my humble opinion

Edited August 6, 20223 yr by icewater5

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

Why do you guys keep using the OP's thread where he asks for help with a specific situation to your discussion about ATC? I don't get it. 

What I don't get is how a discussion of ATC, in a thread about ATC, is off topic.

4 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

We're not speaking about crack cocaine enough.

You're right!

43 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

What I don't get is how a discussion of ATC, in a thread about ATC, is off topic.

He is not asking which ATC program is best, he is asking about a specific situation and nobody even cared about that. And you don't understand that's off topic? What if you asked a specific question about the Fenix aircraft and all the replies were a discussion about which aircraft is the best and telling you to use P3D instead of MSFS? Do you think that is right?  What's going on with you? Jeez.

Edited August 6, 20223 yr by Alvega

4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Yes but in MSFS when you reach the holding point you then contact tower and request take-off clearance. If there is either traffic on the runway or on approach, you are told to hold short. When it's your turn you are either cleared for take-off or "line up and wait". 

Shouldn’t Ground tell you when to contact Tower? Aircraft are tightly controlled in real life.

Are you saying you’re cleared for takeoff when holding short? Shouldn’t that be Line up and wait?

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Shouldn’t Ground tell you when to contact Tower? Aircraft are tightly controlled in real life.

 

Not always in the USA.  As you approach the runway you switch to tower on your own. Or ground will say "monitor tower" which means switch to tower but do not call ready - tower will call you.