50 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Interesting forum. I just took a quick look, numerous people are complaining about CTDs, and the developer keeps insisting  that the CTDs  aren't  a proble m with GSX...   LOL..... So all the people that just installed GSX, and are now having CTDs which they were not having prior to the install, suddenly have developed  problems that are not related to GSX... 😁

As much as I like FSDT's product line--have bought several and do support them--the Dev can be pretty condescending for lack of a better word.  It seems to me his first response is always defensive, which suggests to me his first priority is to deny issues rather than seeking information to solve problems and so make his products thrive more than they already do.  He's a bit pompous for another lack of a better word.  As I opened with I do support FSDT perhaps now more than any other developer for addons I use.  GSX is a very big project to have to integrate into MSFS and I do have confidence FSDT will address its current problems.

For those of you who installed it and it's not creating problems for you, how do you like it so far?  I've not bought it because it seems rife with widespread issues for many and at the moment I don't really feeling like being a paying beta tester, though at some level we're all paying beta testers including for MSFS itself as it is a WIP so is not static and requires ongoing testing.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Interesting forum. I just took a quick look, numerous people are complaining about CTDs, and the developer keeps insisting  that the CTDs  aren't  a problem with GSX...   LOL..... So all the people that just installed GSX, and are now having CTDs which they were not having prior to the install, suddenly have developed  problems that are not related to GSX... 😁

It will turn out to be something simple no doubt. Like Windows Defender or some other Windows setting which some folk have turned on and others do not. Or some other program causing a conflict perhaps. Nevertheless it's down to the developer to determine the cause and not the user.

3 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Like Windows Defender

Well, it's not that, I use defender with no issues with GSX.

2 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Well, it's not that, I use defender with no issues with GSX.

A memory leak then? I don't know. All I know is that MFS is rock solid for me but when I install GSX I get CTDs?

14 hours ago, WestAir said:

.....single major product release for MSFS that wasn't cursed

Yap, Fenix A320.

-wrong thread-

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by Tuskin38

Greetings All,

I see these type of posts a lot. I just want to put out some food for thought into our sim community in this need it right here right now community. I remember buying this vacuum cleaner one day and it had this poor design that impacted it's performance. Unfortunately, in the hardware world, you get over these by buying a newer model or different brand. But in the software world, things are a bit easier. You get over those short comings in the form of updates. In most software cases, you don't have to pay for them either. With that said, let me just add this.

Software development in our community can be a daunting task with new platforms. A lot of the developers in our community do it in their spare time. On top of my awesome aviation career, I am a manager in product management. This work happens to fall within software development. I'm not a developer, but I herd the cats and teams that fall within product management. With that experience, I fully understand the whole process from a scaled agile development viewpoint. I work with 40 scrum teams all cranking out products for internal and external stakeholders. This work relies on internal and external funding. Without it, nothing gets done. Our success is a reflection of the cross functional teams and talented professionals that make up our department. Now, lets focus on our sim developers.

Unlike the product department I'm a part of, a lot of sim developers don't have quality, development and management teams to ensure success. They don't have the funding needed to crank out products and updates quickly. They are usually made of a small group of friends who are trying to answer needs in our community while trying to make a buck. I can tell you that a lot of them don't really make a profit when you consider all of the work and time they invest into these products. They can't afford a full test team that knows the product in and out. They don't have testers who have seen the acceptance criteria and can development strong test cases as development progresses. They have to depend on beta testers who are external to the whole process. They can't afford full development teams that have experience and knowledge in the field/platform. They have to rely on us for knowledge, feedback and funding. Missteps will always happen and I see bugs/defects all the time.

What I'm saying in a long way is that we have to support our developers if we want new products and want them to survive. I know you have to be careful when spending our hard earned cash, but at times think of it as investments. There are developers that throw anything out for a buck and history has proven that they are quickly identified and they don't last long. If a developer has shown to put out great products, support them in their new ventures. Expect some issues when they jump into a new platform. When I look at products that I am interested in, I throw in my support. If it's a developer with a solid track record, I'll support them out the gate. Even if their first go at a new program is a flop, I support because I know they will get right. It's when said developer starts a negative trend, I draw back my support. If you were looking at buying a product, whether you buy it now or later, you are still buying it. My personal view is if it looks good, it's needed and appears viable, I buy now. It's an investment. Yea, I bought Microsoft flight back then and it was DOA lol. But for me, those type of bad purchases are few and in between. I have GSX for my other sims and I will purchase it. Based on their history, GSX will always get better. I have had issues with GSX in the past and had to search forums to figure out why my gates are jacked up. But, for the most part, it's been a great product. Welp, back into the shadows I go, enjoy your weekend!

Rick 

2 hours ago, Silicus said:

Yap, Fenix A320.

The billing system crashed during release which resulted in a plethora of complaints. It also had a lot of backlash due to poor performance, which was fixed in the service update they released a few weeks later.

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by WestAir

16 minutes ago, WestAir said:

The billing system crashed during release which resulted in a plethora of complaints. It also had a lot of backlash due to poor performance, which was fixed in the service update they released a few weeks later.

Sure nitpickers can always find something to complain about. Fenix A320 was in no way an unfinished product like GSX is at this point.

25 minutes ago, Silicus said:

Sure nitpickers can always find something to complain about. Fenix A320 was in no way an unfinished product like GSX is at this point.

You moved the goalpost; I asked who had a flawless, uncursed release, and you said the Fenix A320, which is categorically false because there were 90 page threads full of issues with that release. I did not compare it to GSX. I did not say it was an unfinished product.

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by WestAir

34 minutes ago, WestAir said:

You moved the goalpost; I asked who had a flawless, uncursed release, and you said the Fenix A320, which is categorically false because there were 90 page threads full of issues with that release. I did not compare it to GSX. I did not say it was an unfinished product.

I think your mistaking the Fenix for PMDG, did their servers not crash for hours on launch? Where as i never saw any major issues wth the Fenix, infact i distinctly remember masses of praise for the standard it was setting with intigrated EBC, ( Something PMDG have yet to deliver) I mean if we're actually going to compare apples and pears, at least get it right.

3 minutes ago, Car147 said:

(...) at least get it right.

You could literally just use the search function to look up the major issues with the Fenix release. There were CTD's, account issues, payment issues, slide-show frames, pushback and door shenanigans, etc. You can even go to their discord on May 19th with a bag of popcorn and enjoy. Instead you went the "I don't remember so it didn't happen" route with a side of rudeness.

As an aside, yes, PMDG also had major hiccups during both their major releases.  That's why I suggested that all major MSFS releases were cursed.

I have no doubt that the GSX will be optimized. This is a great addon.

3 hours ago, G550flyer said:

Greetings All,

I see these type of posts a lot. I just want to put out some food for thought into our sim community in this need it right here right now community. I remember buying this vacuum cleaner one day and it had this poor design that impacted it's performance. Unfortunately, in the hardware world, you get over these by buying a newer model or different brand. But in the software world, things are a bit easier. You get over those short comings in the form of updates. In most software cases, you don't have to pay for them either. With that said, let me just add this.

Software development in our community can be a daunting task with new platforms. A lot of the developers in our community do it in their spare time. On top of my awesome aviation career, I am a manager in product management. This work happens to fall within software development. I'm not a developer, but I herd the cats and teams that fall within product management. With that experience, I fully understand the whole process from a scaled agile development viewpoint. I work with 40 scrum teams all cranking out products for internal and external stakeholders. This work relies on internal and external funding. Without it, nothing gets done. Our success is a reflection of the cross functional teams and talented professionals that make up our department. Now, lets focus on our sim developers.

Unlike the product department I'm a part of, a lot of sim developers don't have quality, development and management teams to ensure success. They don't have the funding needed to crank out products and updates quickly. They are usually made of a small group of friends who are trying to answer needs in our community while trying to make a buck. I can tell you that a lot of them don't really make a profit when you consider all of the work and time they invest into these products. They can't afford a full test team that knows the product in and out. They don't have testers who have seen the acceptance criteria and can development strong test cases as development progresses. They have to depend on beta testers who are external to the whole process. They can't afford full development teams that have experience and knowledge in the field/platform. They have to rely on us for knowledge, feedback and funding. Missteps will always happen and I see bugs/defects all the time.

What I'm saying in a long way is that we have to support our developers if we want new products and want them to survive. I know you have to be careful when spending our hard earned cash, but at times think of it as investments. There are developers that throw anything out for a buck and history has proven that they are quickly identified and they don't last long. If a developer has shown to put out great products, support them in their new ventures. Expect some issues when they jump into a new platform. When I look at products that I am interested in, I throw in my support. If it's a developer with a solid track record, I'll support them out the gate. Even if their first go at a new program is a flop, I support because I know they will get right. It's when said developer starts a negative trend, I draw back my support. If you were looking at buying a product, whether you buy it now or later, you are still buying it. My personal view is if it looks good, it's needed and appears viable, I buy now. It's an investment. Yea, I bought Microsoft flight back then and it was DOA lol. But for me, those type of bad purchases are few and in between. I have GSX for my other sims and I will purchase it. Based on their history, GSX will always get better. I have had issues with GSX in the past and had to search forums to figure out why my gates are jacked up. But, for the most part, it's been a great product. Welp, back into the shadows I go, enjoy your weekend!

Rick 

I completely agree! I understand the fact that Umberto is very direct, and to some can seem condescending and abrasive(I'm not excusing that at all if that's the case, my personal opinion is that he's just very direct which can be interpreted as such), but you have to give them credit for their product support. Umberto and his team seem to be working 24/7 to fix all the issues that have been associated with the initial release. Yes, I'm having issues getting the product to work properly initially, but I am hopeful it will all be resolved in an acceptable time frame, and they have earned my trust from prior experience. Obviously, this is my opinion, but I've spent years using their products and have been very happy with everything from the quality of their products to their support. I'm hopeful they'll get everything sorted out quickly. 

5 hours ago, G550flyer said:

Greetings All,

Sorry, new day, new age, new market with MSFS.  It's no longer "let's excuse shoddy work to support devs in a small niche community".  Today's generation isn't going to accept this.