This edition will be a love affair with aviation.   The Spirit of St. Louis looks simply incredible.      And the Jenny  too.  Beaver, DC-3,  Spruce Goose,  I can't wait for the 11th of November.

edit:  Love the wing walkers for the glider.    Love the 20 classic mission from the franchise's past.    Hope we get at least one with Rod Machado.

 

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by Waldo Pepper

7 minutes ago, psolk said:

You rarely sell on your competitors weakness but on your own strengths.

ἓν διὰ δυοῖν (hèn dià duoîn) 'one through two')

I just want them to fix the weather, and get fenix to patch their airbus.   I couldn't care less about spruce goose. 

16 minutes ago, Waldo Pepper said:

This edition will be a love affair with aviation. 

free of charge,

¿¡ increíble ¡¿

34 minutes ago, psolk said:

I doubt any of that came into it in my honest opinion.  You rarely sell on your competitors weakness but on your own strengths.  I sure MS were well aware of what LM and LR were doing and their decision was based on a lot of market analysis, desire to bring the MSFS franchise back to MS and more importantly to XBOX, Bing integration and and neither LM nor LR were going to XBox nor integrating with Bing with a flight simulator so that inevitably leads to where they are today.  

 

Definitely, Jorg also pitching MSFS being on X-Box likely sweetened the deal. But remember, before MSFS was released, Jorg was already saying this was a 10 year plan. And Microsoft did release MSFS on PC first, not X-Box.

Phil Spencer himself (or the other Microsoft executives), may not have even been aware of P3D or XP when Jorg pitched MSFS to them, because Phil Spencer has to oversee all gaming at Microsoft, and he needs to be aware of the entire game industry as a whole, not just PC games, but also PlayStation and Nintendo games on console, There are a lot of games out there and there are a lot of gaming companies, I can’t even imagine how many games Phil Spencer comes across each day.

As for the 10 year plan, I don’t think Jorg or Phil Spencer have X-Box in mind if they are going to keep developing MSFS for 10 years. X-Box simmers are way more casual and probably more short term simmers than the enthusiast flight simmers on the PC market, so it doesn’t make sense to have a 10 year plan for MSFS just for the X-Box market. And it appears that Microsoft has not cut back on developing MSFS at the moment and Asobo is even trying to hire for new positions for MSFS. If you ask me, Jorg’s 10 year plan isn’t just for MSFS to dominate the home PC flight simulation market, but for MSFS to eventually enter the commercial market at some point.

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

22 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

for MSFS to eventually enter the commercial market at some point.

I agree with everything you said except the "commercial market" statement. commercial aviation training is a niche market with very individual support requirements per customer, not typical Microsoft terrain. the only thing I can imagine is them to license it again to some 3rd party, to the likes of - Lockheed Martin etc. for non-entertainment markets. Meanwhile I would suggest x-plane to withdraw from the home entertainment market completely and go after the commercial training segment exclusively. But who am I to disagree with Austin Meyer (x-plane Linux and iOS compatibility) 🤣

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by turbomax

29 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I agree with everything you said except the "commercial market" statement. commercial aviation training is a niche market with very individual support requirements per customer, not typical Microsoft terrain. 

Hmm, when Microsoft attempted to enter the commercial market in the past with ESP, did Microsoft have to customize support requirements for every individual customer? I’m asking this because while I was using FSX back in the day, I didn’t really pay attention to what Microsoft was doing with ESP back then.

29 minutes ago, turbomax said:

the only thing I can imagine is them to license it again to some 3rd party, to the likes of - Lockheed Martin etc. for non-entertainment markets. 

Yes, that’s another possibility. It would allow Microsoft to indirectly make money from the commercial market.

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

25 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

did Microsoft have to customize support requirements for every individual customer?

who except Lockheed Martin has ever licensed it?

Just now, turbomax said:

who except Lockheed Martin has ever licensed it?

That’s interesting. Would like to know how far Microsoft got with ESP back in the day. I guess if Microsoft didn’t get far with ESP, it makes sense when Lockheed Martin came calling, Microsoft made the deal with Lockheed Martin.