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XP12: visuals to serve realism (and vice versa)

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This is an excellent post and discussion. You point out what I think is indeed a development perspective for Xplane. They didn’t simply upgrade the visuals but tied it to the underlying flight model and intent of the sim. Xplane 12 really is a leap ahead for the franchise (please note I’m comparing between versions of the same franchise, not any other franchise.)

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Has anybody already played with icing in clouds and flying through thunderstorms?

I remember Austin saying that weather now actually poses an inherent danger in the air.

 

On a flight over the Alps in the King Air yesterday, the ride got really bumpy due to all the up- and downdrafts. This was pretty cool.

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5 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

Has anybody already played with icing in clouds and flying through thunderstorms?

I remember Austin saying that weather now actually poses an inherent danger in the air.

 

On a flight over the Alps in the King Air yesterday, the ride got really bumpy due to all the up- and downdrafts. This was pretty cool.

There was a video of exactly this and it was great to see!  Enough ice build up actually brought the aircraft down.  


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39 minutes ago, psolk said:

There was a video of exactly this and it was great to see!  Enough ice build up actually brought the aircraft down.  

Exactly! Namely this one 😉.

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1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

Has anybody already played with icing in clouds and flying through thunderstorms?

I remember Austin saying that weather now actually poses an inherent danger in the air.

 

On a flight over the Alps in the King Air yesterday, the ride got really bumpy due to all the up- and downdrafts. This was pretty cool.

Didnt encounter any thunderstorms yet but I was practicing patterns at KSFO(btw I suck at flying the lancair evolution) an hour back and ran into quite a bit of turbulence and rain. I also got hit by a couple of updrafts and downdrafts. The whole experience was so engaging and I was in awe at the weather effects and lighting the whole time.

X-Plane-Screenshot-2022-09-18-09-40-33-3


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15 hours ago, Murmur said:

The new physical based photometric engine has also been designed to be FAA /Level-D compliant in terms of modeling the atmospheric and runway lights visibility;

 

15 hours ago, Murmur said:

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Is this the FAA runway lights visibility "compliance" in action?
@Murmur PAPI is way too weak (it is dimmable IRL by tower controller, just as all the lights on the runway).
Also edge and TDZ-lights are not convincing.  They really should stand out more. Looks like they are at VFR day intensity setting (3%).

XP11 had marvelous airport lighting, the image above looks inferior.

For reference, this is low intensity lights at work during one of my night flights (vfr night default at our aerodrome when twr is closed)

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And where are the twy lights?


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Known Bugs

  • Incomplete or missing features in Alpha/Early Access:
    • Master-external visual networking
    • New XPLM APIs
    • Airbus A330 FMC
  • In progress features:
    • Tuning lighting & fog
    • LIT textures
    • Performance
    • VR holodeck lighting
    • Far trees don’t look great
    • Better cloud shapes, especially cirrus
    • Performance tuning
  • XPD-11214 Plane Maker CG/Lights/Tanks Position Markers Not Visible.
  • XPD-12826 Joystick axis mapping symbols are missing.
  • XPD-12879 Wake turbulence broken for 3rd party integrations.

https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-12-00-release-notes/

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Then I am even more confused why Murmur is posting shots of a "faulty" environment to re-affirm the argument that runway lights/visibility are FAA compliance? 

You would barely be allowed to land a trike with lights like in his image. (I've seen vfr grass strips with better lights).

Looking forward to RTM version. It can only get better 🙂


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10 hours ago, Reader said:

Probably the only effective way to prevent bickering, trolling and pointless posts is to lock the topic at this point.💤

NO, you don't lock topics, you lock out the instigators!!!! 

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57 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

 

Is this the FAA runway lights visibility "compliance" in action?
@Murmur PAPI is way too weak (it is dimmable IRL by tower controller, just as all the lights on the runway).
Also edge and TDZ-lights are not convincing.  They really should stand out more. Looks like they are at VFR day intensity setting (3%).

XP11 had marvelous airport lighting, the image above looks inferior.

For reference, this is low intensity lights at work during one of my night flights (vfr night default at our aerodrome when twr is closed)

50T2Aso.png

This should be a similar situation in your photo with high visibility:

Cessna-Citation-X-2022-09-18-20-20-05.pn

Apparently, in low visibility (I think I set 2 miles in the following pics) the runway light visibility during dusk appears to be less than during night with the same conditions. Don't know if it's a bug or what (or if for some strange reason it would be the same in RL, I don't know), but if you have a case, you could report it to LR.

Cessna-Citation-X-2022-09-18-20-21-09.pn

Cessna-Citation-X-2022-09-18-20-22-31.pn

EDIT: looks like the links were not working well, I put the direct links to images but unfortunately this reduces their resolution.

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One hour local flight with live weather.I have never met more beautiful live weather on a simulator.

 

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9 hours ago, Murmur said:

The general observation is that visual improvements in XP tend to be thought of not in isolation, but coupled with improvements in operational realism.

Exactly !!!  Excellent insight there. 

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1 hour ago, filou said:

One hour local flight with live weather.I have never met more beautiful live weather on a simulator.

 

@filou I've been lurking in the screen shot forum and have to say your shots are incredible...   If anyone here hasn't already they should head to the screenshot forum and check them out...

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27 minutes ago, psolk said:

@filou I've been lurking in the screen shot forum and have to say your shots are incredible...   If anyone here hasn't already they should head to the screenshot forum and check them out...

He convinced me to DL XP12 from Steam , Laminier needs to put him on commission . 

 

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