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4090 $1,599 and 4080 for $1,199 (16gb version) or $899 (12gb Version) is what is being posted all over the Internet by multiple press releases, assuming they all got the info from the same single source (NVIDIA directly).

$1,199 vs $899 is a BIG delta for only 4gb VRAM.

I guess they figure after the shortage and how people were paying $2k+, what's a few hundred more dollars over expected MSRP...


 

 

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There is a reason EVGA just exited the market. I've been seeing BOM cost estimates that these things cost close to $2k USD to make.

I'd expect the $1599 to turn into a fake MSRP.

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Remember how much faster the 3080 was going to be than the 2080?

Smoke and Mirrors In real life increase in speed remains to be seen

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50 minutes ago, Seth2021 said:

DLSS 3’s Optical Multi Frame Generation is able to alleviate CPU bottlenecks and boost FPS by up to 2X by creating entirely new frames that never touch the CPU.

Obviously we will wait and see what this looks like but I am optimistic.  I wonder how many people will keep saying "I'm CPU bound how would DLSS3 help?!?!" ignoring this statement.

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7 minutes ago, HarryVoyager said:

There is a reason EVGA just exited the market. I've been seeing BOM cost estimates that these things cost close to $2k USD to make.

I'd expect the $1599 to turn into a fake MSRP.

It's possible the price will bounce up if short-term availability falls short of demand, but I doubt it will go up all that much in the long run. The demand isn't what it was in 2021. Since the shortage ended, a lot of people upgraded fairly recently, and most people playing anything except MSFS, those extra FPS aren't needed except to FPS chasers (there are quite a few FPS chasers though). I really cannot think of any places in MSFS where I fly that I really need the extra FPS, but I don't often fly into large cities, so haven't really tested the worst performing airports. Still, it's only going to be a handful of places.

I will probably just keep my 3080, if I return it, there is no guarantee the 4080's will actually be available on that date. I expect the first month at least to have poor availability, it's going to be popular at first.
 

 


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Wait for neutral benchmarks.

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Just now, Paladin2005 said:

Wait for neutral benchmarks.

They could have tweaked the settings to maximize the results. Even so, a 50% increase in FPS should be fine to overcome the worst performing areas. Hence, it won't matter if it's 30 to 45 or 30 to 60, most people cannot tell in MSFS. 


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I'm so close to dropping 1K on a 3090Ti.....but I can hold out to Nov for a 4080 12b for $900 if....if....if 

1. That price holds true (or near true)

2. I can get one before December...of 2024!

I think scalpers will be up to there old tricks on the 4080 release day...they'll suck up the entire inventory, we'll see a $900 card going for $3000 on eBay for the 1st few months. Unless Nvidia and the AIBs put a strict 2 card limit max on purchases and use technology (that is available) to enforce that.  Otherwise I see no hope of the average, non-rich simmer having a chance on getting one for several months (at least) after they are released.

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27 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

$1,199 vs $899 is a BIG delta for only 4gb VRAM


 

 

It's not just 4GB vram though, it's 2000 more cuda cores and faster memory. 

Its effectively a 4070 rebadged as a 4080, likely with 20-25% less performance than the 16GB version.

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I think Nvidia made too many, so I think only a month of scalping at best. The word on the street is NVIDIA expanded their production massively in 2021 due to the demand and shortage and they over-estimated the demand of the 4000 series. Remember, it's a global demand not just US, so the fact that not only is Bitcoin continuing to crash, but there is a war going on, and the international economy is mostly in the dumps is going to hurt the demand.

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2 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

I'm so close to dropping 1K on a 3090Ti.....but I can hold out to Nov for a 4080 12b for $900 if....if....if 

1. That price holds true (or near true)

2. I can get one before December...of 2024!

I think scalpers will be up to there old tricks on the 4080 release day...they'll suck up the entire inventory, we'll see a $900 card going for $3000 on eBay for the 1st few months. Unless Nvidia and the AIBs put a strict 2 card limit max on purchases and use technology (that is available) to enforce that.  Otherwise I see no hope of the average, non-rich simmer having a chance on getting one for several months (at least) after they are released.

Without the demand coming from crypto mining, things could conceivably shape up a little different this time. 


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2 minutes ago, leec said:

It's not just 4GB vram though, it's 2000 more cuda cores and faster memory. 

Its effectively a 4070 rebadged as a 4080, likely with 20-25% less performance than the 16GB version.

25%, that's a lot. I was thinking like 15% less performance like previous.


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3 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

25%, that's a lot. I was thinking like 15% less performance like previous.

It might not be that much but still a significant difference for both cards  labelled a "4080".

Misleading at best but DLSS 3.0 looks promising at least.

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11 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

I'm so close to dropping 1K on a 3090Ti.....but I can hold out to Nov for a 4080 12b for $900 if....if....if 

1. That price holds true (or near true)

2. I can get one before December...of 2024!

I think scalpers will be up to there old tricks on the 4080 release day...they'll suck up the entire inventory, we'll see a $900 card going for $3000 on eBay for the 1st few months. Unless Nvidia and the AIBs put a strict 2 card limit max on purchases and use technology (that is available) to enforce that.  Otherwise I see no hope of the average, non-rich simmer having a chance on getting one for several months (at least) after they are released.

Don't spend that much on a 30xx card.  I guess unless your current one broke and you need a new card.   My 1080 ti is still decent enough but if I really could double my fps for 1200 bucks that would be money well spent.  And potentially means VR would be a lot nicer 


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I look forward to buying a 4000 series card...in about 5 years time.

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