SU 10 is out!

[rob0203 689]

What a great era to live in as a flightsimmer!

[NZ255 309]

41 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Thank you, a correction on my statement then.  When I hard that from Martial, it seemed Martial already knows what the fix is, which is to add a mask on the glass panel. I doubt that NVidia is going to issue a driver fix for the blurry glass panel in DLSS. Rather, it's up to Asobo to add the mask for glass panels in DLSS.

A lot of people think an NVidia driver is going to fix the blurry glass panel issue in DLSS.  I doubt NVidia will do that.  NVidia told Asobo (ie. they told Martial) to add a mask for the glass panel. That is the fix to the blurry glass panel, not an NVidia driver update.

To be fair, you may be correct. From Martial's response I'm assuming that the mask isn't something that can be done yet with DLSS (a quick google with some different terms doesn't yield any results), but Asobo have proposed that as a solution to NVidia.

Edited September 22, 2022 by NZ255

[DAD 2,650]

38 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

 

Does anyone else have two copies of G1000 NXI installed? I thought one of them was a workaround for the SU10 beta and would disappear once SU10 was launched. 

 

 

 

IIRC I saw a post from @MattNischan of Working Title advising to use only the G1000 from the Marketplace as that is the curated one from WT. That would mean you can and probably should delete the "default" Garmin which came with MSFS out of the box (the upper one on your shot)

[andrevieira 16]

24 minutes ago, ega said:

>>>Does anyone have this problem after the update?
 

You are probably using the  texture mod for CJ4 - don´t use it and everything will be fine. No idea why this CJ4 texture mod does that though... 

 

I use the working tittle cj4.

[ega 98]

Yes, but are you using the WT texture mod? I had the very same issue that you show in the screenshot.

 I saw that new W10 compatible WT CJ4 textures mod have been released in flightsim.to. Check here:

 https://flightsim.to/file/10547/cj4-cockpit-texture-mod  

[St Mawgan 1,359]

17 minutes ago, DAD said:

IIRC I saw a post from @MattNischan of Working Title advising to use only the G1000 from the Marketplace as that is the curated one from WT. That would mean you can and probably should delete the "default" Garmin which came with MSFS out of the box (the upper one on your shot)

Actually I can't, I only have the option to uninstall 0.14.0

[bobcat999 8,465]

3 hours ago, Thalinor said:

For everyone who’s talking about not seeing the dlss performance increase my guess is you probably have an Nvidia graphics card like I do.
 
I don’t have the exact link for you but it was posted on the main nvidia website discussing the update and said “Nvidia users won’t see any of the dlss performance until the new drivers come out from Nvidia in the next few weeks“...

Thanks for your first post Thalinor, but this is not correct. 
I have a 3080Ti and I am seeing a significant increase in performance with DLSS (4k ultra settings) compared to the standard TAA.
The only problem is the flat screens are slightly blurry, which can be alleviated slightly by increasing the sharpening. 

I am certainly sticking with DLSS, and the slight blurriness on the screens really isn't that bad.  I don't even take notice of it now.

If people don't see any performance increase, it can be because they are main thread limited on the CPU, but there are plenty of people seeing the performance increase. 
My 12900k CPU had plenty of headroom, so DLSS is now making it really fly, if you excuse the pun.  

[vodka69 13]

29 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Thanks for your first post Thalinor, but this is not correct. 
I have a 3080Ti and I am seeing a significant increase in performance with DLSS (4k ultra settings) compared to the standard TAA.
The only problem is the flat screens are slightly blurry, which can be alleviated slightly by increasing the sharpening. 

I am certainly sticking with DLSS, and the slight blurriness on the screens really isn't that bad.  I don't even take notice of it now.

If people don't see any performance increase, it can be because they are main thread limited on the CPU, but there are plenty of people seeing the performance increase. 
My 12900k CPU had plenty of headroom, so DLSS is now making it really fly, if you excuse the pun.  

hello,

 

I have a 3090 and 12900K with 34" (3440x1440) screen and I dont see any performance increase with DLSS actived!

 

bye

[St Mawgan 1,359]

I have a 3090 and a 12900K with a 32" 3840 x 2160 monitor and am at Ultra and absolutely see a difference with DLSS set to Quality. Card runs cooler too. I would not go back to TAA now. 

[bobcat999 8,465]

1 minute ago, vodka69 said:

hello,

I have a 3090 and 12900K with 34" (3440x1440) screen and I dont see any performance increase with DLSS actived!

bye

Hello Vodka,

You are not alone, but without the exact detail about your settings, then it is hard to tell why, but I can tell you it is virtually impossible not to see some improvement unless there is a limiting factor somewhere, like vsync.  Most people see some improvement with DLSS, in MSFS and lots of other games.  You wouldn't want to try Cyperpunk 2077 without DLSS for example!  

It is rendering a lot less pixels, then upscaling, so it is like saying 2k resolution is the same performance as 4k for example, which can happen if not set up right or with a restricting factor somewhere. 

I can't check your settings for you, but if you don't see any increase and can't find a reason why, then obviously it would be best for you to stick with TAA.

[altenae 171]

4 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Never use VSYNC IMO.  Its an artificial performance limitation.

sp

But is also helps when played on a normal monitor against screen tearing !!

[Cpt_Piett 4,613]

13 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

How does DX12 compare to DX11?

Initially in the beta, DX12 gave outstanding performance with solid multithreading. 

Then they removed the memory manager to avoid visual glitches, and DX12 performed significantly worse than DX11 (stutters especially when panning). 

I've now had a few flights with the final version of SU10 and the studio driver, and DX12 performs as good as DX11, if not a bit better. 

[abrams_tank 7,394]

8 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Initially in the beta, DX12 gave outstanding performance with solid multithreading. 

Then they removed the memory manager to avoid visual glitches, and DX12 performed significantly worse than DX11 (stutters especially when panning). 

I've now had a few flights with the final version of SU10 and the studio driver, and DX12 performs as good as DX11, if not a bit better. 

I remember you said you weren't getting good performance with DX 12 yesterday with the Studio driver? 

But after some more testing for you, DX 12 is running just as good as DX 11, if not better, with the Studio driver?

[Cpt_Piett 4,613]

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I remember you said you weren't getting good performance with DX 12 yesterday with the Studio driver? 

But after some more testing for you, DX 12 is running just as good as DX 11, if not better, with the Studio driver?

I think I needed to do more than one flight to make up my mind. After that it became clear to me that the performance of DX12 is as good as DX11. Before getting the studio driver, I tried DX12 with beta .18 I think, and it was significantly worse than DX11. So some improvement seems to have occured. 

Also it's worth noting that I'm running much higher than default settings tweaked with usercfg.opt - higher shadow size, terrain LOD of 600. I've noticed with DX12 and the studio driver that I'm not mostly main thread limited, like I was in DX11. So there's a change there too. 

But especially when panning around quickly in external view, there's no stutters. I couldn't to this without stutters in DX12 before the studio driver. 

So - it seems what Matt mentioned, is that with the correct nVidia driver in place, the sim will detect it and implement the memory manager. Whereas on the old driver, the memory manager was not active and hence no performance benefit. That's my take on it anyway. 

[abrams_tank 7,394]

21 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I think I needed to do more than one flight to make up my mind. After that it became clear to me that the performance of DX12 is as good as DX11. Before getting the studio driver, I tried DX12 with beta .18 I think, and it was significantly worse than DX11. So some improvement seems to have occured. 

Also it's worth noting that I'm running much higher than default settings tweaked with usercfg.opt - higher shadow size, terrain LOD of 600. I've noticed with DX12 and the studio driver that I'm not mostly main thread limited, like I was in DX11. So there's a change there too. 

But especially when panning around quickly in external view, there's no stutters. I couldn't to this without stutters in DX12 before the studio driver. 

So - it seems what Matt mentioned, is that with the correct nVidia driver in place, the sim will detect it and implement the memory manager. Whereas on the old driver, the memory manager was not active and hence no performance benefit. That's my take on it anyway. 

Ahh, that's cool!  Seems like what many other people are experiencing with the Studio driver and DX 12.  FPS may not necessarily be better, but most people are reporting it's much smoother with DirectX 12 and the Studio drivers.

Thanks for your response!