More stupid gusts, this time on final

[bcuomo 143]

2 hours ago, hobart escin said:

You're ruining the fantasy of all these 'real pilots' playing on their computers and living in a world of make-believe in between their shifts at Wal-Mart,   The current MSFS2020 wind gusts are real to these people because someone claiming to be a real pilot TOLD them it was realistic, lol.    You'll never change their minds.  

Have fun flying actual airplanes though.   Just don't be surprised if God didn't get the wind behavior right though because he didn't consult with Asobo first.  

Post reported for being insulting with no good reason.

[MDFlier 2,031]

2 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

Video of the go-around.... geez. There's someone who ought not to have a check airman letter. 

I was thinking the same thing, At one point, he slapped the other pilot's hand. They sure so things different in Russia. Bless their hearts.

[F737MAX 5,599]

@sd_flyer

1. Which way is the wind direction arrow pointing from and where is the 737 in relation to the mountains?
   Answer: Leeward side, therefore they are encountering rotor turbulence.
    
2. LYTV is renown for being a challenging approach given its very close proximity to the surrounding relief.

Therefore, the video you posted is hardly representative of 'typical' conditions while on an approach.

Gusts can be fun in the sim, no doubt. Yet, as @Stearmandriverpoints out, the PMDG 737 wind speed gauge as shown in previous videos does not act like that in real life.
Either PMDG has coded it incorrectly and/or the oscillations in Asobo's gust/turbulence simulation coding is overdone. Could easily be caused by both reasons.

[sd_flyer 6,041]

2 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

@sd_flyer

1. Which way is the wind direction arrow pointing from and where is the 737 in relation to the mountains?
   Answer: Leeward side, therefore they are encountering rotor turbulence.
    
2. LYTV is renown for being a challenging approach given its very close proximity to the surrounding relief.

Therefore, the video you posted is hardly representative of 'typical' conditions while on an approach.

Gusts can be fun in the sim, no doubt. Yet, as @Stearmandriverpoints out, the PMDG 737 wind speed gauge as shown in previous videos does not act like that in real life.
Either PMDG has coded it incorrectly and/or the oscillations in Asobo's gust/turbulence simulation coding is overdone. Could easily be caused by both reasons.

You see actual speed variation vs wind vector which interpreted by computer . When it comes to wind vector in PFD it also represents wind interpretation not necessarily actual wind variation .

As far as turbulence I fly in mountain for 20 years, but still I won't ne able to tell what cause turbulence. Wind often change base on terrain friction. so it's no like a book example of perfectly straights ridge and low symmetrical terrain on both sides 

[sd_flyer 6,041]

2 hours ago, hobart escin said:

You're ruining the fantasy of all these 'real pilots' playing on their computers and living in a world of make-believe in between their shifts at Wal-Mart,  

 

"Real pilot" are long debated term. I talked to a NAVY pilot and he claim they are real because they land at night on a pitching deck using only AoA indicator. Then I heard opinion from mechanic that consider "real pilot" those who don't need gear inspection after each landing. So you see  each person see "real pilot" differently. But I can tell you one thing some ego driven narcissist who can't stand if their opinion not shared with others, often  bruised and vulnerable  always come low level insults instead of  convincing argument. And that is universal and agreed upon by everyone LOL

 

[Stearmandriver 2,295]

54 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Either PMDG has coded it incorrectly and/or the oscillations in Asobo's gust/turbulence simulation coding is overdone. Could easily be caused by both reasons.

This is what I wonder too.  The 737 is the only airliner I've used in MSFS, but the wind indicator behaves the same way in the G1000 in the sim.

It seems to me that wind is being changed instantaneously, and the effects of this on the flight path of the aircraft are smoothed somewhat by the flight model (one of the reasons aircraft with subpar flight models in MSFS are often described as "twitchy"?)  This works fine, as long as the end result of wind effect on the aircraft is correct (though it isn't in all aspects; witness an aircraft's tendency to not only weathervane into a strong xwind on TO or landing but also to depart the runway on the UPwind instead of the downwind side.)

But when it comes to wind indicators on avionics, I get the sense that devs simply make that field a "wind repeater" instead of applying any smoothing. 

So there's obviously a couple ways to fix this: smooth the gusts themselves, or smooth the indications just like the effects on the aircraft flight model are smoothed. 

And to be fair, of course all of this is a moving target for devs as Asobo is still tweaking wind behavior themselves. So I'm guessing none of what we see today is really the final version.  

In terms of aircraft behavior, *for the most part*, the new gusts feel really good in the planes I use in the sim (none of which are default or have questionable flight models), so I'm pretty happy - excepting certain specifics like the above-mentioned crosswind effect. 

[The Flight Level 2,113]

The majority of you guys are better than me to recognize intentionally provocative posts. The problem when you don't realize that everyone here is not posting with good intentions. "C'est la vie"

[JRBarrett 3,070]

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

But when it comes to wind indicators on avionics, I get the sense that devs simply make that field a "wind repeater" instead of applying any smoothing. 

There are two simvars: AMBIENT WIND DIRECTION and AMBIENT WIND VELOCITY which are available via simconnect. I think most developers use these variables directly, (without smoothing), for the wind display.

I will check this the next time I fly the 737 by running the SDK SimVar Watch utility and monitor those two variables to see if they correspond to the instantaneous value of the wind indicator on the ND.

[ThrottleUp 617]

They just need a menu option labelled "All Calm"

Not a breath of wind, no turb, no gusts, not even a breeze. 0kts from the ground to FL500.

As in any game options are good, will keep both sides happy.

[Swe_Richard 1,172]

Well.. having done a number of landings in the Fenix this is starting to irk me. On several occasions the wind changes direction so fast it makes the a/p struggle to even keep up. Getting the ”wind calm, clear to land” and then having to wrestle like crazy feels… off.. 

[Jeeeno 314]

41 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Well.. having done a number of landings in the Fenix this is starting to irk me. On several occasions the wind changes direction so fast it makes the a/p struggle to even keep up. Getting the ”wind calm, clear to land” and then having to wrestle like crazy feels… off.. 

 

Recently I've got also stupid updrafts during approach on a completely flat area, at night, with a 5 knots wind. It makes you go V/S to zero for no reason at all .... ridicolous. 

[Swe_Richard 1,172]

55 minutes ago, Jeeeno said:

 

Recently I've got also stupid updrafts during approach on a completely flat area, at night, with a 5 knots wind. It makes you go V/S to zero for no reason at all .... ridicolous. 

Happened to me as well in a similar situation. Felt as realistic as a three legged unicorn. 

[jcomm 5,929]

Looks like the same BUG bit LR with turbulent weather in XP12 🙂

 

 

[Jeeeno 314]

1) We are talking about MSFS, what's the point of showing an XP12 video?

2) Yes, the turbulence shown in this video is maybe even more wrong than in MSFS. 

[Moron 64]

12 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

"Real pilot" are long debated term. I talked to a NAVY pilot and he claim they are real because they land at night on a pitching deck using only AoA indicator. Then I heard opinion from mechanic that consider "real pilot" those who don't need gear inspection after each landing. So you see  each person see "real pilot" differently. But I can tell you one thing some ego driven narcissist who can't stand if their opinion not shared with others, often  bruised and vulnerable  always come low level insults instead of  convincing argument. And that is universal and agreed upon by everyone LOL

 

I've reported this post for making a personal attack against me.