Help landing jets vs landing propellor planes

[carbonbasedlifeform 179]

I got the HondaJet. I always bounce it. The manual says to only lightly flair.

Is landing a jet different than landing a prop plane. Any advice?

[Biggles2010 334]

The answer to your question can be yes,or no, or maybe, depending on the particular aircraft being compared. Having flown various types in both categories, I found each aircraft had its own particular characteristics. The one common factor is that good landings are more likely, following a good  approach. The main requirements there, are good speed control, avoiding large or sudden power changes, while maintaining the correct rate of descent. Achieving the right speed over the threshold is always helpful, which usually means tapering the speed steadily over the latter part of the approach, keeping the aircraft in the right attitude, not too nose high or nose low. 

The tendency to bounce, or float, will vary from aircraft to aircraft, and also according to flap settings. I am not familiar with the Honda jet, but some aircraft require to be flown onto the runway, rather than rounding out prior to touchdown. This is especially the case with many high performance aircraft. Whereas others, with lower wing loading, are flared as the power is reduced.

Common causes of bouncing are too high rate of descent, or crossing the threshold hot and high, then chopping the power while making excessive attitude changes to get onto the runway. Both are best avoided by making a good approach. And getting lots of practice.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Biggles2010

[fppilot 4,256]

3 hours ago, carbonbasedlifeform said:

I got the HondaJet. I always bounce it. The manual says to only lightly flair.

Is landing a jet different than landing a prop plane. Any advice?

The Hjet landing technique is to keep the speed up until touchdown.  You have speed brakes to help you slow after touchdown.  For my short final, under 500 ft AGL, I maintain an approach speeed of 115 to 120 knots IAS, shallow my rate of descent, and cut the throttles just before crossing the fence. If I flare at all it is very slight. Otherwise I float or land with the nosewheel off the ground for too long, especially after MSFS SU10.  I recommend doing some touch-and-gos  from 500 to 1,000 ft AGL to practice.   

Also note that the right GTS (Garmin touch pad) in the Hjet has a set of PERF screens where you can enter your payload and fuel load information.  The GTS will then allow you to pull calculated VREF speeds for takeoff and landing.  The GTS should confirm an approach speed or V_APP somewhere in the 107 to 112 knot range.  That is your final approach speed.  The landing REF speeds will confirm a V_REF  speed in the 101 to 107 knot range.  That is your over-the-fence speed.  With the current wind gusts and buffeting induced in MSFS SU10 I have bumped up my Hjet V_APP and V_REF speeds, each  by about 5 knots.  That has made a lot of difference.

Edited October 11, 2022 by fppilot

[blueshark747 1,780]

Agreed practiced touch and go's are mandatory for folks inexperienced with the Hjet.

Things got really fast paced and nervous for me trying to land her at TVSC.😅

[carbonbasedlifeform 179]

18 hours ago, fppilot said:

The Hjet landing technique is to keep the speed up until touchdown.  You have speed brakes to help you slow after touchdown.  For my short final, under 500 ft AGL, I maintain an approach speeed of 115 to 120 knots IAS, shallow my rate of descent, and cut the throttles just before crossing the fence. If I flare at all it is very slight. Otherwise I float or land with the nosewheel off the ground for two long, especially after MSFS SU10.  I recommend doing some touch-and-gos  from 500 to 1,000 ft AGL to practice.   

Also note that the right GTS (Garmin touch pad) in the Hjet has a set of PERF screens where you can enter your payload and fuel load information.  The GTS will then allow you to pull calculated VREF speeds for takeoff and landing.  The GTS should confirm an approach speed or V_APP somewhere in the 107 to 112 knot range.  That is your final approach speed.  The landing REF speeds will confirm a V_REF  speed in the 101 to 107 knot range.  That is your over-the-fence speed.  With the current wind gusts and buffeting induced in MSFS SU10 I have bumped up my Hjet V_APP and V_REF speeds, each  by about 5 knots.  That has made a lot of difference.

Thanks that helped.

[Fiorentoni 3,352]

21 hours ago, carbonbasedlifeform said:

I got the HondaJet. I always bounce it. The manual says to only lightly flair.

Is landing a jet different than landing a prop plane. Any advice?

You answered your own question. You stall-flair most props, you fly onto the runway most jets (especially smaller jets).