19 minutes ago, TravelRunner404 said:

The “magic” currently doesn’t fix any CPU bottlenecks. It definitely works best at higher FPS like 65-75 and there is artifacts when you pan around.  It will increase your MainThrd ms timing when it’s on and actually lower your FPS in game a little but the graphics card is displaying extra frames.

Well, that's clear in any case - I'm missing something like a real benchmark here - as Riah069 has correctly noted - especially with which CPU and configuration can you savour the "full" power - also only works with "highend" - and overall we are then at a price almost of a PPL! 🙂 ! my comment was meant ironically !

It would be great if DLSS could automatically be activated in scenarios where it was really needed. At least doing it via a hot key would already be very useful, for instance, during takeoffs or ladings in major hubs. 

10 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

It would be great if DLSS could automatically be activated in scenarios where it was really needed. At least doing it via a hot key would already be very useful, for instance, during takeoffs or ladings in major hubs. 

If NVidia could bring a technic that allowed sharpness like TAA as a base and use DLSS 3/4 whatever in very taxing situations then that would be very welcome.

My 3090s are living an easy life as it is the cpu (12900K @ 5.3) that limits the overall framerate on my systems.

Large airports , lots of AI ac , major cities , bad weather and a study level VC are very taxing on the framerate.

22 minutes ago, GSalden said:

My 3090s are living an easy life as it is the cpu (12900K @ 5.3) that limits the overall framerate on my systems

This is really the crux of the matter at this point in hardware time, at least w/ Intel CPU.  How about AMD 5800x3D?  It's single core performance is way worse than [email protected].

36 minutes ago, Noel said:

This is really the crux of the matter at this point in hardware time, at least w/ Intel CPU.  How about AMD 5800x3D?  It's single core performance is way worse than [email protected].

And yet...

Source:

 

 

Hello

this is translated article about dlss3

Concretely, Nvidia explains that DLSS 3 will analyze sequential images and motion data from this new accelerator in order to create additional images. Known as Optical Multi Frame Generation, it will generate entirely new images and not just pixels. Moreover, this technology runs as a post-process on the GPU and can therefore improve the frame rate even if a game is CPU limited. According to the chameleon firm, DLSS 3 allows a frame rate up to twice that which the processor can calculate.

27 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

And yet...

Source:

But the AVERAGE is going to be far lower.  12900K is 126 in this, and put [email protected] single on its perf cores will likely be around 155 average.  No contest.

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

But the AVERAGE is going to be far lower.  12900K is 126 in this, and put [email protected] single on its perf cores will likely be around 155 average.  No contest.

You were originally taking about a comparison with the 12900K.
In order to get a better 1% low FPS, but worse average FPS than the 5800X3D, you have to build a more expensive 12900K DDR 5 setup, as the chart above shows.

If you're an Intel fan, fine. Just don't change the comparison points to suit your view.
If the 13900K doesn't 'smash it out of the ballpark', then that would be concerning for Intel. The excitement for me comes from seeing what the 7800X3D and 7950X3D CPUs are able to achieve.
 

32 minutes ago, grandfred29 said:

Moreover, this technology runs as a post-process on the GPU and can therefore improve the frame rate even if a game is CPU limited.

Yes this is my experience. I get double fps with DLSS3 vs DLSS2 even when main thread limited.

10 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

you have to build a more expensive 12900K DDR 5 setup, as the chart above shows.

…and probably invest in a high-end liquid cooling system if not already in place.

4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

So many opinions on this GPU, it's insane. And so much speculation. Did the 3090 get the same amount of heat upon launch? Can't remember. 

In terms of raw performance / rasterization, it's faster than the 3090 for sure. 52% more CUDA cores than the 3090 Ti and a much higher boost clock.

This translates into about 30% higher fps due to raw processing power, according to my own benchmarks. Of course this won't help in main thread limited situations. It does help though to further increase the image quality (crank up screen resolution, shadow maps, render scaling, clouds, texture resolution, anisotropic filtering, ambient occlusion, reflections). Coming from a 3090 though, you're probably already able to have these settings maxed out. 

Enter DLSS3, the main reason I got this card. It's been described in all sorts of derogatory ways, lol. A "dirty upsampling trick" though? Why not go all out with the swear words? Oh, you can't because of word not allowed. 

I think of it as a rather elegant way of increasing fps in tight situations. It does introduce some distortion, but IMO it's not game breaking. It does not increase stutters though. There’s significantly less low fps % vs the 3090; 3% vs 33% according to my CapFrameX comparisons. 

I've posted some videos, but they don't do it justice as the video capture itself introduces stuttering. That and the fact that the max video frame rate with Xbox game bar is 60fps. 

IMO DLSS3 comes into play in the most demanding situations where current hardware struggle: major hubs, payware addons, heavy cloud settings, lots of AI traffic. With DLSS3 these situations are no longer a stutterfest. 

As I'm typing this I see that travelrunner has replied. Will be interesting to see what he has to say as he came down pretty hard on the DLSS3 distortions. 

How are you finding the glass cockpit displays with DLSS 3? Do they still exhibit the same blurry upscaled issue they do with DLSS 2?

24 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

How are you finding the glass cockpit displays with DLSS 3? Do they still exhibit the same blurry upscaled issue they do with DLSS 2?

Same as with DLSS2, no better and no worse. It's important to point out that the whole image is not blurry. Nothing a bit of extra sharpening can't handle anyway. And DLSS has some AI-based anti-aliasing which is also applied to the AI-generated frames. So I don't think the overall image quality with DLSS is bad. 

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

5 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

So many opinions on this GPU, it's insane. And so much speculation. Did the 3090 get the same amount of heat upon launch? Can't remember. 

In terms of raw performance / rasterization, it's faster than the 3090 for sure. 52% more CUDA cores than the 3090 Ti and a much higher boost clock.

This translates into about 30% higher fps due to raw processing power, according to my own benchmarks. Of course this won't help in main thread limited situations. It does help though to further increase the image quality (crank up screen resolution, shadow maps, render scaling, clouds, texture resolution, anisotropic filtering, ambient occlusion, reflections). Coming from a 3090 though, you're probably already able to have these settings maxed out. 

Enter DLSS3, the main reason I got this card. It's been described in all sorts of derogatory ways, lol. A "dirty upsampling trick" though? Why not go all out with the swear words? Oh, you can't because of word not allowed. 

I think of it as a rather elegant way of increasing fps in tight situations. It does introduce some distortion, but IMO it's not game breaking. It does not increase stutters though. There’s significantly less low fps % vs the 3090; 3% vs 33% according to my CapFrameX comparisons. 

I've posted some videos, but they don't do it justice as the video capture itself introduces stuttering. That and the fact that the max video frame rate with Xbox game bar is 60fps. 

IMO DLSS3 comes into play in the most demanding situations where current hardware struggle: major hubs, payware addons, heavy cloud settings, lots of AI traffic. With DLSS3 these situations are no longer a stutterfest. 

As I'm typing this I see that travelrunner has replied. Will be interesting to see what he has to say as he came down pretty hard on the DLSS3 distortions. 

My wallet thanks you for lightening it's load! 😄

It sounds like this could get me over 60FPS consistently with TAA and certainly with DLSS3. It may be the last GPU I need to buy until going to 8K.

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris

4 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

My wallet thanks you for lightening it's load! 😄

Haha, glad to assist! 🎉💸

Btw in this rockpapershotgun review they go into some in-depth detail re: DLSS3 AI frame generation - or, filthy fake frames as someone would prefer. Or... nevermind. 

TL:DR: the distortion is not that perceptible - most of the time. This is also my experience. It becomes more noticeable when panning very quickly around. And the worst situation is when changing the image completely, like going from external view to cockpit view. The AI frame generation then struggles as it cannot base it's generation on the last frame, leading to more distortion. However - this will only be one frame of many - and the higher the fps is - the less noticeable the distortion will be. 

Hopefully nVidia will continue to improve on this AI frame generation tech. 

3 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Haha, glad to assist! 🎉💸

Btw in this rockpapershotgun review they go into some in-depth detail re: DLSS3 AI frame generation - or, filthy fake frames as someone would prefer. Or... nevermind. 

TL:DR: the distortion is not that perceptible - most of the time. This is also my experience. It becomes more noticeable when panning very quickly around. And the worst situation is when changing the image completely, like going from external view to cockpit view. The AI frame generation then struggles as it cannot base it's generation on the last frame, leading to more distortion. However - this will only be one frame of many - and the higher the fps is - the less noticeable the distortion will be. 

Hopefully nVidia will continue to improve on this AI frame generation tech. 

In my case, I'm more interested because the card may push me over 60FPS consistently in TAA with DX12.  I'm close now since I upgraded to the 5800x3D (with the 3090) and if this can push me over 60FPS most of the time, then I don't need more FPS and thus don't need DLSS3.  I'm a bit of an image quality snob. I will have to judge DLSS3 with my own eyes, but it seems a bit contrary for me to want to run LOD400, on Ultra settings, at 4K and then use something like DLSS3 to get some performance out of it at the expense of image artifacts. I could pull a lot of other levers if all I cared about was FPS.