26 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Like I said earlier though, if a lot of the processing is being done on the HDR monitor, how can a screenshot (taken from the PC image before being sent to the monitor) be expected to show the full HDR effect being displayed by the monitor?  Am I missing something or being stupid?  

I think you are correct, unless looking at the screenshot through an identical model of HDR monitor with the same settings (both on the Monitor and GPU) then I dont see how its possible to see the same image tones/brightness/contrast/dynamic range

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

Like I said earlier though, if a lot of the processing is being done on the HDR monitor, how can a screenshot (taken from the PC image before being sent to the monitor) be expected to show the full HDR effect being displayed by the monitor?  Am I missing something or being stupid?  

Yes that would be nonsense.  You cannot display 10 bits of color on an 8 bit screen.  An actual HDR image displayed on an SDR screen will just look pale and totally washed out.

It has nothing to do with the monitor processing anything. A HDR monitor has several things that an SDR does not:

-  the ability to control light and dark in specific small areas of the screen

- the ability to go far darker and far brighter (up to 1000 nits for HDR10) than an SDR screen

- the ability to display a much wider range of colours (generally 10 bit color or better instead of 8 bit).

 

10 hours ago, MrRoper said:

There is a known bug with HDR not activating in the sim properly with SU10. Try Alt-Entering to go to windowed. move the window on your screen and then Alt-Enter again. This should re-enable HDR. Its fixed in SU11

trying this now, thanks!

UPDATE: i tried the alt-enter trick but still couldn't tell a difference. *sigh* i guess i'm destined for non-hdr simming

3 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

UPDATE: i tried the alt-enter trick but still couldn't tell a difference. *sigh* i guess i'm destined for non-hdr simming

Take a screenshot using Xbox game bar. If HDR is active, two files will be saved: .jxr and .png. Without HDR, only a .png file will be saved. 

The .jxr will look a bit washed out, like this: 

The non-HDR .png file: 

The HDR .png file:

Note: I had to convert the files to .jpg to share them on Imgur. 

Edited November 8, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

7 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

UPDATE: i tried the alt-enter trick but still couldn't tell a difference. *sigh* i guess i'm destined for non-hdr simming

Double check your HDR screen has HDR enabled in Windows.

Also check what ports on your monitor support HDR.  On my screen only the Display Port is HDR enabled.

4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Take a screenshot using Xbox game bar. If HDR is active, two files will be saved: .jxr and .png. Without HDR, only a .png file will be saved. 

The .jxr will look a bit washed out, like this:

Note: I had to convert the files to .jpg to share them on Imgur. 

I've never used the xbox game bar before but I'll give it a shot and see what happens

 

58 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Double check your HDR screen has HDR enabled in Windows.

Also check what ports on your monitor support HDR.  On my screen only the Display Port is HDR enabled.

thanks for the reply. I connect via DP and play HDR-enabled games quite a bit so I know it's working in general. I have an HDR1000 monitor so its very noticeable when enabled, really looks amazing. I like to flip the HDR setting in-game on and off for fun just to witness how much better it makes the graphics. thats actually how I noticed it didn't seem to be working in MSFS 😄

What about this ?

HDR on gives me this teardrop effect on suns ...

Click it for full image and zoom in.

Pretty good gradation, 10 bit colour and the sun itself can be seen in the centre. But I hate the overall effect.

Turning off HDR just bleaches out the entire area. Just as bad for a different reason.

This is a photo of my screen being a QN90A Qled 1500 nit at 4K rez

Edited January 16, 20233 yr by Gabe777

Calibrate it using the Windows HDR calibration app from the Play Store and see if that helps. I suspect that it will. 

I have been using HDR on a big Philips monitor (Momentum 558M1) for a while now, and have found it to be brilliant (in both the technical and general sense). It feels so involving, visually, that it's hard to describe. But I have had to mess around a bit to get things like screenshots to work ok. I had been using the Snipping Tool to give me reasonable SDR captures, but that stopped working for me after the W11 22H2 update, so now I use the XBox game bar which, as has been mentioned already, takes both an HDR image (.jxr) and a corresponding SDR image (.png). You cannot view an HDR image on an SDR monitor and see anything worthwhile, but these .pngs (converted to .jpg) are absolutely fine. Take a look in the screenshot forum here at a couple of my recent posts and you'll see what I mean -

 

One thing I did that made a huge difference is to make sure I had a proper monitor colour calibration profile installed for my monitor. I don't take credit for this, I have a very knowledgable friend who doesn't post here but is well into colour management and the like. In my case the profile was supplied as part of a driver for the monitor. Once installed, the colour and contrast on the monitor was perfect.

I made a little spreadsheet tab for all the various graphics settings in Windows, NVCP and MSFS that I have set on my system. I've uploaded it to Google Drive and if anyone wants to check their settings against mine just grab a copy here -

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_R7bjtYYGtkA4gIV1zTfpfQICtsdl-bY/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104392311587454485350&rtpof=true&sd=true

These are my settings for a fairly chunky system, so not saying "use these", but it's worth checking out as these are what I've settled on to give me the best possible visuals on my HDR screen. Like I say, most of it from my more knowledgable friend, and if you are using HDR, check put the XBox game bar for captures.

HDR makes the colour's more vibrant and pop for me, not too saturated and looks so much nicer, haven't actually tested it in regards the dynamic range to be honest tho

I've been using an HDR monitor for almost a year now. I have better depth perception with it. I don't think it's something that you can show with screen shots. What I would really like to see is a relaunch of 3D monitors. They would be awesome for flight simming  and we have the horse power to run them now.

On 11/6/2022 at 9:17 PM, dresoccer4 said:

I got a new HDR1000 monitor a few weeks ago and have been loving playing HDR games, everything looks fantastic. So I decided to fire up MSFS after a few months hiatus to try it out. However I'm confused because I honestly can't tell the difference bettwen HDR10 on and HDR10 off.

Very different here on a new LG Ultra screen.  It's a little too unnatural for me for MSFS so I just increase contrast in general using NVCP and it's good enough.  I kept trying to see if I could live w/ HDR on because in dawn/dusk it's amazing but over the top in-cockpit, so I leave it off.  I bought the screen for Gsync primarily.