While all of this is just one person's opinion, the vid makes a great point that MSFS isn't (or does not have to be) the best at everything....

For me, MSFS is winning as the overall package. The product itself, the tech, the partnerships & collaborations, the communications (feedback / live streams / roadmap), and above all, the continued and frequent development, improvements, expansions, features, and "free" content.

No other Dev attempted to do so much....

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by OverTheEDJ

As other have said, It's great and really hope it will improve on a fast pace, like it did before, a complete overall of the ATC, some kind of radar contact with emergency procedure would be awesome.

As for the dev, would really like to see more X-plane dev crossing the line, and I feel for the ones who keep P3D a priority despite the success of MSFS. 

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

MSFS is the best, no doubt. But there's a lot of things to sort out. ATC needs a lot of work. AI traffic needs a lot of work. Many of the default planes (787!) need lots of work. None of these things were really covered in this video. MSFS is the best overall but it needs at least another year of steady improvements. But I wouldn't fly anything else at this point. 

I don't know of any sim that comes with good ATC or default aircraft. 

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

But I wouldn't fly anything else at this point. 

My sentiments exactly. Just in the past 6 months it’s quite amazing what MSFS/Asobo have achieved. I don’t really expect any meaningful improvements to default ATC in the near future, so I’ve just turned it off for now. And I can’t decide on any of the 3rd party options. Other than that I’m happy with the way things are evolving. 

34 minutes ago, bendead said:

As for the dev, would really like to see more X-plane dev crossing the line, and I feel for the ones who keep P3D a priority despite the success of MSFS. 

I think that will happen. 3rd party developers are businesses and it's a matter of money. With XP 12 sales looking pretty poor with respect to XP 11 sales (ie. the Steam DB stats), many XP developers that develop for the consumer market, will be under pressure to switch to MSFS, where the money is.

8 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I think that will happen. 3rd party developers are businesses and it's a matter of money. With XP 12 sales looking pretty poor with respect to XP 11 sales (ie. the Steam DB stats), many XP developers that develop for the consumer market, will be under pressure to switch to MSFS, where the money is.

In that regards, curious to see Navigraph survey results 

Great vid but I'm sure noone will argue the point.

sp

I’d agree the flight model needs some more work. That’s about the only thing that kind of puts me off from it. It definitely is good, but not great. Still way too ‘twitchy/bouncy’

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by Hatch76

19 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

In that regards, curious to see Navigraph survey results 

Yes, I really hope Navigraph breaks up XP 12 and XP 11 users in their survey rather than lumping all XP users together. Because there are still a lot of XP 11 users, as even the Steam DB stats are showing. 

5 minutes ago, Hatch76 said:

I’d agree the flight model needs some more work. That’s about the only thing that kind of puts me off from it. It definitely is good, but not great. Still way too ‘twitchy/bouncy’

That wold be the fault of the plane developer I'm thinking.

sp

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I think that will happen. 3rd party developers are businesses and it's a matter of money.

I have been waiting for both Aerobask and VSKYLABS to bring some of their smaller GA planes to MSFS, but they are holding strong to XPs platform. I think there is so much opportunity / money for them to invest on this side of the track.

Everybody who loves MSFS lower your hands...

And I think most people who are in the AAU beta will say it’s absolutely amazing. I’ve always wanted to fly the TBM and Longitude, but they were just too half-baked for me back then. All I have been flying lately are those two as well as the newly updated CJ4. They’re a ton of fun to fly now with the updated avionics. 

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by Bdub22

7 hours ago, G-YMML1 said:

AIG packages + PSXT/RT combo with historical AI movements back to 2020 (yes, it bites. $172 per annum)

Not to derail the thread but yikes! That’s almost as much as I pay in a year for (fast!) broadband internet.

Kind of outrageous given there was a freeware data source that worked just fine until the PSXT developer deliberately disabled it in favor of RT, but again, I digress…glad you’ve found something that works for you. Genuinely. 😀

James

8 hours ago, RobJC said:

MSFS is the best, no doubt. But there's a lot of things to sort out. ATC needs a lot of work. AI traffic needs a lot of work. Many of the default planes (787!) need lots of work. None of these things were really covered in this video. MSFS is the best overall but it needs at least another year of steady improvements. But I wouldn't fly anything else at this point. 

Other elements still need work as well.  ATIS/AWOS totally embarassing with dewpoint always either 10 or 13 and this time of year dewpoint is higher than ambient temperature, which can never occur.  Should be simple to overcome. Just obviously not priorized. Avionics continue to improve but considering what was available for several years prior to MSFS continues to find me scratching my head. And as a former meterologist when I look at cloud type representation at various altitudes I pull my hair out.  FS9 had very good cirrus and altocumulus cloud rendering. How long ago was that?  Volumetric is great, but overall weather is so imcomplete.  And I am so tired of hearing the term "not planned" in regard to weather and avionics technology.

Less we overlook addons when we evaluate.  So much that is great about MSFS is the prolific volume of freeware addons where we used to pay out. Yes, Avsim and other sites had freeware libraries, but TO and other sites have taken that so far up and beyond, and I believe we subconsciously factor that into how we judge MSFS.  Is that an attribute of MSFS or is it an attribute of the surrounding community.  If community, clearly the community has been reenergized by the unexpected return to the industry by Microsoft/Asobo.  Credit deserved where credit is due, and MSFS clearly deserves.  The communitty, especially individual freeware developers clearly deserve! Both have come together.

Abolish the thought of "not planned" and MSFS is unbeatable/untouchable.  Time to get it there!

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by fppilot