3 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Pause and reset failures in the real world doesn’t seem to work. 

which is why airline flight schools should choose x-plane over "other simulators". period.

5 minutes ago, turbomax said:

which is why airline flight schools should choose x-plane over "other simulators". period. /s

FTFY

16 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Ok…and exactly how would one recover from an arbitrary catastrophic control failure like the one posted in the video? Pause and reset failures in the real world doesn’t seem to work. 

lots of real world examples of surviving (and not surviving) such failures.

Such failure training is as much about the mental state needed to fight to stay alive all the way to a safe landing as much as knowing what to do.

That's why these pilots are so calm always in these emergency situations, they dedicate their entire lives to crushing any fear and just getting their job done.

Great non-answer

25 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Great non-answer

my guess for elevator failure would be to use the trim instead, but not familiar with the aircraft or it procedures, should be in the POH.

if its a citation x, looks like maybe the faa think there are a few out there you wouldnt survive

https://www.flightglobal.com/faa-to-propose-citation-x-elevator-change-out/92831.article

The proposed rule calling on operators to inspect the horizontal stabiliser hinges for corrosion as well as cracks and to replace the elevators is an amendment to a 2006 interim AD that required operators to perform inspections and repairs to prevent the possible structural failure of the elevators and loss of the aircraft.

 

At issue were cracks found on the elevator inboard hinge brackets and associated horizontal stabiliser hinges of an aircraft. The Citation X is the fastest civil aircraft to date, cruising at M0.92.

 

According to the FAA, Cessna has stated it will supply the required parts to operators at no cost.

 

 

Edited December 29, 20223 yr by mSparks

if you have learnt it all from x-plane engine failure simulations:

ATC: "engine failure. want to declare an emergency?"

Capt'n: "Emergency? negative, not even that"

ATC: "Emergeny equipment is standing by"

Capt'n: "oh, we don't need it"

ATC: backround chatter and laughing.

 

and this is what happens when you got trained on "the other simulators". /s

 

Edited December 29, 20223 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

if its a citation x, looks like maybe the faa think there are a few out there you wouldnt survive

This is the way.

Of all the possible failures, a control surface failure is one of the worst because the likelihood of rapid loss of control with very limited options (if any) at your disposal. Thankfully, they are exceedingly rare. 
 

By the way, in a light GA plane, I like your initial answer. The first thing I would try is elevator trim.  In fact, one of my mentors flew a pattern a landed a C172 using only the secondary effects of rudder and elevator trim to prove to me that an elevator or aileron cable break wasn’t the end of the world. 

1 hour ago, snglecoil said:

a C172 using only the secondary effects of rudder .... trim

I have never seen rudder trim on a C172.

Edited December 29, 20223 yr by turbomax

14 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I have never seen rudder trim on a C172.

Sorry that does read a little confusing. Not rudder trim. He used the secondary effect of rudder deflection to induce roll absent of aileron input. He used elevator trim to control pitch and a masterful command of trim input and power to control flare and touchdown. 

Edited December 29, 20223 yr by snglecoil

15 hours ago, snglecoil said:

Great non-answer

You don't like the answer? So, I have an alternative one for you. Originally, I assumed the failures are implemented for FAA approval, but then I asked Austin, and he laughed at me. No ... certainly not for FAA approval ... their purpose is to drive up the haters on avsim up the wall 😁.

Ok - seriously: we all know, X-Plane is approved by the FAA for training purposes.

1 hour ago, flying_carpet said:

You don't like the answer? So, I have an alternative one for you. Originally, I assumed the failures are implemented for FAA approval, but then I asked Austin, and he laughed at me. No ... certainly not for FAA approval ... their purpose is to drive up the haters on avsim up the wall 😁.

Ok - seriously: we all know, X-Plane is approved by the FAA for training purposes.

Why do you assume I hate X-Plane? I’m a flight instructor. I use a simulator heavily in instrument instruction. One of my Cirrus clients has the Cirrus RealSimGear BATD running…you might want to sit down for this…X-Plane and the Torquesim SR22. I’m well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of various platforms. 
 

And yes I also see tremendous value in supplementing flight training with other platforms, even the ones that can’t be used to log time. I don’t have any allegiance to one platform or the other. I have personal preferences. I just find your videos…amusing. 

3 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

Ok - seriously: we all know, X-Plane is approved by the FAA for training purposes.

Exactly! I don't understand why people can't just accept the superiority of X-plane. It's important that we get allegiance to 100%; it's the only way forward in this heretical world of ours. Why does it feel like you and I are the only people who understand this? Keep fighting the good fight, brother. We'll save the souls of simmers yet!

10 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

It's important that we get allegiance to 100%

Until we get the polo shirts, it'll never reach 100%.

5 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Until we get the polo shirts, it'll never reach 100%.

I had to make mine custom, smh. Austin needs to shift his priorities from flight model to apparel. 

33 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

I had to make mine custom, smh. Austin needs to shift his priorities from flight model to apparel. 

Merch truth is out there.

https://youtu.be/eshXNtLtPmw?t=75

 

Edited December 30, 20223 yr by blingthinger