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1 hour ago, Wise87 said:

What AIO or cooler are you going to run with your build in progress?

Arctic Liquid II 360.

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13900K@5.8GHz - ROG Strix Z790-E - 2X16Gb G.Skill Trident DDR5 6400 CL32 - MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X - WD SN850X 2 TB M.2 - XPG S70 Blade 2 TB M.2 - MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold PSU - Liam Li 011 Dynamic Razer case - 58" Panasonic TC-58AX800U 4K - Pico 4 VR  HMD - WinWing HOTAS Orion2 MAX - ProFlight Pedals - TrackIR 5 - W11 Pro (Passmark:12574, CPU:63110-Single:4785, GPU:50688)

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16 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

No IGU more stable and better overclock less for the CPU to handle.

 Core i9-13900KF CPUs Overclock Best, Binning Stats Reveal | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

No doubt I'll set a new SP low when I plug in my 13900K. 😕


13900K@5.8GHz - ROG Strix Z790-E - 2X16Gb G.Skill Trident DDR5 6400 CL32 - MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X - WD SN850X 2 TB M.2 - XPG S70 Blade 2 TB M.2 - MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold PSU - Liam Li 011 Dynamic Razer case - 58" Panasonic TC-58AX800U 4K - Pico 4 VR  HMD - WinWing HOTAS Orion2 MAX - ProFlight Pedals - TrackIR 5 - W11 Pro (Passmark:12574, CPU:63110-Single:4785, GPU:50688)

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Having an intergrated gpu has its advantages. For example if your upgrading to a UEFI motherboard with a nvme drive that was set as a legacy MBR, then you can at least give your forehead a slap when you figure out what is going on when the system doesnt boot. Ask me how I know 😀

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13 hours ago, odourboy said:

No doubt I'll set a new SP low when I plug in my 13900K. 😕

The KF has 5.8ghz boost the same as the just released KS they are both hand picked samples.


 

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On 12/29/2022 at 8:57 PM, Garys said:

Yes I just upgraded from a 8086K (8700k) that was overclocked to 5.1ghz on all cores.  Right now I can say that the change wasnt worth the cost. With a 3090 its only marginally  better.

Yes it can be overclocked. I still have some things to work out though as although my bios is saying my overclock have stuck, CPU-Z is saying something completely different. It may just be a bug with cpu-z and if it is, then I can definately say a 13600k or 13700k would have been a better choice given the upgrade cost.

Did you get this resolved? I have a i7-8086K running at 5.0Ghz and am looking at a new system based on the 13700K / 3080Ti.

Surely it has to be a glitch. A new processor no faster than a five year-old one?


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System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke.
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6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Did you get this resolved? I have a i7-8086K running at 5.0Ghz and am looking at a new system based on the 13700K / 3080Ti.

Surely it has to be a glitch. A new processor no faster than a five year-old one?

I did,  I bought a 4090. In all seriousness though, a 8086K overclocked in to the + 5gz with a 3090 is a solid well balanced system. I have never been one to pull sliders all right and still havent. I also run triple monitors and VR so have never been CPU limited @1080p were a cpu bottleneck would really show up.

13900k + 3090 was definately ok but the 13900k was not really worth the upgrade price from the 8086K. in retrospect the 13600K/13700K would have been a better choice. It wasn't until I put the 4090 in that the system really came to life which is why I suggested the 13600k and 13700k from my experience and still do.

You will definately see a huge performance boost with that upgrade if your currently running the 1080ti that is in your sig. If your still running a 1080ti though I would highly recommend putting the extra $$ that you would have put on the 13700k/motherboard/ram upgrade into a 4000 series (except 4070ti) as right now your flying experience will be getting hampered by the gpu. I would definately suggest you skip the 3080ti/3090 with the latest cpu's though.

Ultimately  AMD X3D/ Intel 13600k/13700K + 4080/4090 will = flightsim 😁

 

 

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@Garys, thanks for your post. It really surprises me what you say. A four year-old 8th gen CPU can still compete with a 13th gen one despite all the improvements.

I did give some thought to just putting a new graphics card in but felt that would unbalance the system. And I’m not sure a 4090 would be the best choice given the overheating problems being reported.

I have a buyer lined up for my system and that money could go towards a 13900K / 3090Ti system built by Chillblast here in the UK. That CPU can run up to 5.8Ghz on core 1.

This bottleneck calculator has been recommended. It doesn’t have the 13900K yet but the i9-12900K looks to be a good match for the 3090Ti running at 4K. The 13900K can only be better, surely.

https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/1c91aY/3/graphic-card-intense-tasks/3840x2160/

Finally, this is for P3Dv5. I have no plans to move to MSFS.


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@ray. Its not really about competing. If you look at the guys singing praise for the 13900K on the first page here you will see that they are runnning the 4090. The 4090 is able to constantly maintain frame rendering at less than 11ms which results in super smooth flying. Its the latest gen GPU and not the cpu making the difference here now. 

"It doesn’t have the 13900K yet but the i9-12900K looks to be a good match for the 3090Ti running at 4K. The 13900K can only be better, surely"

Yes - But the offset is that it will only increase the bottleneck of the last gen GPU. 

P3D doesnt use E cores so unless your using the 13900k as a work computer as well, look at the 13600k with the 3090ti instead. Either way though you will be very happy with the upgrade.

 

 

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Gary,

All of them appear to be running MSFS, not P3D. Plus, I have a BenQ monitor that runs at 30Hz so the notion I can get 100fps just isn’t necessary for me. I’d rather the CPU use its spare capacity to have more Ai at busy airports.

I also have a single display unlike yourself. Paying 700GBP more for a 4090 over a 3090Ti is hard to justify. I’ll chew things over, thanks.


Ray (Cheshire, England).
System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke.
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I’ve had a rethink. Chillblast who built my last PC now have the i9-13900K and 4090 available.

The 4090 is faster than the 3090Ti so it makes sense to go for that. And the 13900K can be overclocked up to 6Ghz compared to 5.6 on the 13700. So given the importance of CPU cycles that seems to make sense too.

I will go for the ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero WiFi Motherboard too plus a 1000W gold power supply. 32GB DDR5 Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz Memory Kit (2 x 16GB Sticks).

 

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Ray (Cheshire, England).
System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke.
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Can P3D even take advantage of high-end hardware? The biggest selling point of the 4090 is DLSS3 and Frame Generation. With FR enabled, I can finally put my 120Hz OLED TV to good use on MSFS.

The 13900K was also not an option for me due to the small difference when compared to the 13700K but much higher heat generation, power consumption and price. 

My next upgrade will be for sure to a 7950X3D and hopefully that will allow me to reach three digits fps also on major hubs with live traffic. 


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On 1/17/2023 at 5:04 AM, Ray Proudfoot said:

Did you get this resolved? I have a i7-8086K running at 5.0Ghz and am looking at a new system based on the 13700K / 3080Ti.

Surely it has to be a glitch. A new processor no faster than a five year-old one?

I just got a new PC going from a I5-6600 2060ti to 13700K with a 3080Ti and the performance improvement is insane.   Everything pretty much maxed out visually and I can keep 60FPS easily.   I was actually satisfied performance wise (I am not VR and run at 1440) even with the I5 (surprisingly) but it was time to see where where I could go......Re installing everything is so much easier now from the cloud (as a side bar)

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4 minutes ago, marcg11 said:

I just got a new PC going from a I5-6600 2060ti to 13700K with a 3080Ti and the performance improvement is insane. 

What simulator? How much Ai was injected into the sim? If it’s MSFS that’s not something that interests me. P3D only. I’ll probably sync the sim to my 4K monitor refresh rate of 30Hz. I don’t need any more than that and it will allow for higher settings or more Ai.


Ray (Cheshire, England).
System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke.
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9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

What simulator? How much Ai was injected into the sim? If it’s MSFS that’s not something that interests me. P3D only. I’ll probably sync the sim to my 4K monitor refresh rate of 30Hz. I don’t need any more than that and it will allow for higher settings or more Ai.

MSFS - I am just using the standard AI MSFS traffic injection and pretty vanilla aircraft wise (no newer study level aircraft) - so that side is not so taxing.     My old system could barely handle 30fps most of the time- with pretty noticeable stuttering...now its super smooth

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