You own an Intel 13900K

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

12 minutes ago, marcg11 said:

MSFS - I am just using the standard AI MSFS traffic injection and pretty vanilla aircraft wise (no newer study level aircraft) - so that side is not so taxing.     My old system could barely handle 30fps most of the time- with pretty noticeable stuttering...now its super smooth

It’s a significant upgrade so no wonder you’re pleased. Enjoy your flights. 😁

[J0nx 48]

I'd like to know the difference of how the 13900k performs in P3D5 vs a 5800X3D which I currently run. I used to run a 5900X and in some games it was a big boost for me to go to the 5800X3D. There was no difference in P3D though.

[Mace 1,926]

On 1/18/2023 at 12:23 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’ve had a rethink. Chillblast who built my last PC now have the i9-13900K and 4090 available.

The 4090 is faster than the 3090Ti so it makes sense to go for that. And the 13900K can be overclocked up to 6Ghz compared to 5.6 on the 13700. So given the importance of CPU cycles that seems to make sense too.

I will go for the ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero WiFi Motherboard too plus a 1000W gold power supply. 32GB DDR5 Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz Memory Kit (2 x 16GB Sticks).

 

Ray -- I'm a bit late to the party but given our similar hardware I felt compelled to post.  I think overall this is wise (to go for a 4090 vs. the 3090).

We had/have almost identical hardware, you having the 8086K which is a higher-binned 8700K like I have.  And I had a 1080ti and a BenQ 32" U class monitor (same one).   About a year ago I upgraded to a 3080ti which at the time was maybe second only to a 3090.  Anyway, I wouldn't upgrade to a 3080ti today.  The 4080 or 4090 far surpasses it.  If you are going to spend the money, you might as well get the current generation of cards (4xxx series).  But avoid the 4070ti.

You mentioned refresh rate.  Remember that we have the same BenQ 32" monitor.  Consider this...with the system you note above (4090 + 13900K at 6 ghz), your system will well be able to maintain 50+ frames.  And remember that our monitor can refresh at 50hz.  Mine shows refresh of...if I can remember offhand...29hz 30 hz 31 hz, 50 hz and 60hz.   You may be able to refresh at 50 and vsync/ lock at 50 for some amazing smoothness, all at 50 frames per second.  For that matter, you might be able to go 60 hz / 60 fps lock -- that's a whale of a system you propose.

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On 2/5/2023 at 11:03 AM, J0nx said:

I'd like to know the difference of how the 13900k performs in P3D5 vs a 5800X3D which I currently run. I used to run a 5900X and in some games it was a big boost for me to go to the 5800X3D. There was no difference in P3D though.

I do not have a 13900K, but I can tell you that as Ray mentions, 13900K's are capable of 6.0 ghz and clock speed is still king in many respects with P3D.  

That said, you mention you currently run a 5800X3D.  That cpu is fantastic with *certain* apps and games, but some other apps do not respond as well to the large L3 cache.  MSFS does respond well to it, but your emphasis may be with P3D which loves clock speed.  The 5800x3D isn't really a clock speed processor.  

Also note that AMD are about to release their 7950X3D, 7900X3D, and 7800X3D processors.  The first two come out Feb 28, and the latter on April 6, 2023.  Those cpu's combine higher clock speeds with the big L3 cache.  It may behoove us all to see how those perform before committing to something.  Anyway, that's what I'm currently waiting for.

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

8 minutes ago, Mace said:

Ray -- I'm a bit late to the party but given our similar hardware I felt compelled to post.  I think overall this is wise (to go for a 4090 vs. the 3090).

Not too late! 😁 I haven’t ordered it yet as I’ve been waiting for FS Labs to release 64- but Concorde. But the silence is deafening. ☹️ 4 years ago I was on the fence with the 2080Ti but the extra 500GBP was hard to justify. This time I’m just going for the. fastest GPU with no reservations.

11 minutes ago, Mace said:

You mentioned refresh rate.  Remember that we have the same BenQ 32" monitor.  Consider this...with the system you note above (4090 + 13900K at 6 ghz), your system will well be able to maintain 50+ frames.  And remember that our monitor can refresh at 50hz.  Mine shows refresh of...if I can remember offhand...29hz 30 hz 31 hz, 50 hz and 60hz.   You may be able to refresh at 50 and vsync/ lock at 50 for some amazing smoothness, all at 50 frames per second.  For that matter, you might be able to go 60 hz / 60 fps lock -- that's a whale of a system you propose.

I’m considering the i7-13700K from a discussion in this section where the poster felt the i9 was better for workstations than gaming. Thoughts? If P3D loves core 1 speed maybe the 6Ghz of the i9-13900K is better.

Having such a quality monitor gives me great scope for trying different refresh rates. Currently using DisplayPort as I believe it’s better than HDMI. I’ll check the BenQ tech guide for info.

I’m fed up with most of the AIG Ai being deleted at big airports to keep fps at 30. With a new system higher fps and lots of Ai need some balancing.

This is for P3D I should add. I have a look at MSFS each month at a flight sim meeting but P3D still reigns supreme for my type of flying.

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1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Not too late! 😁 I haven’t ordered it yet as I’ve been waiting for FS Labs to release 64- but Concorde. But the silence is deafening. ☹️ 4 years ago I was on the fence with the 2080Ti but the extra 500GBP was hard to justify. This time I’m just going for the. fastest GPU with no reservations.

I too am leaning...leaning toward the fastest GPU with no reservations.  But now the question is, *which* 4090.  I'm currently heavily into research as to the best-for-me 4090 to purchase.  I heard a rumble here and there about Zotac Trinity cards having heat issues, but I'm not sure if that was their OC (overclock) version or not.  If it's just the OC version, fine, as in my view the OC version wouldn't be a card we'd be looking at anyway, as flight sim people -- what is an extra 2 fps vs. a whole bunch of heat?  We would rather not overclock our video cards, and would rather not have a factory-overclocked card, in my opinion, but everyone values things differently I suppose.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m considering the i7-13700K from a discussion in this section where the poster felt the i9 was better for workstations than gaming. Thoughts? If P3D loves core 1 speed maybe the 6Ghz of the i9-13900K is better.

My thoughts on that are that the 13900K has an awful lot of cores you are paying for, that will not be fully used by us.

So the issue comes down to one of binning.  Would the 13900K clock higher and would that be worth the $$?  Or GBP as you may prefer 🙂

I would take a good look at the 13700KF.  Being a KF you'd think it would be binned a little higher than a regular 13700K.  I'm not sure I'd go to a 13600KF as 6 P-cores...well...I'll put it this way, I'd rather have 8 P-cores than 6 for P3D.  Also, even if it can't clock to 6.0 ghz, what is the difference between 5.8 and 6.0 in the sim?   I really can't foresee much of a difference, if my past experience with prior architectures is any guide at all.

You should research or have JetLine look into the clocks and temps people are getting with the 13700KF vs. a 13700K or 13900K / KF.  I have not done that type of research yet.  If you have JetLine build it, perhaps they can build with a 13700KF if they find that the best option.   Many times people see the highest-end processor and they think that will automatically give the best sim results.  What I am saying is, that may well be true, but it may not be.  And if indeed a 13900K / KF is the best, what are 2 frames per second worth to you (in terms of money and heat), if you can already get 60+ in my P3D "hell" scenario (add-on Heathrow + Stansted + Gatwick + AI + weather + complex airplane)?  What is an unlocked 64 frames vs. 62 frames?  As long as it's smooth frame delivery, we can't tell the difference.

 

[odourboy 1,289]

1 hour ago, Mace said:

And if indeed a 13900K / KF is the best, what are 2 frames per second worth to you (in terms of money and heat), if you can already get 60+ in my P3D "hell" scenario (add-on Heathrow + Stansted + Gatwick + AI + weather + complex airplane)? 

Or you could flip this argument around and say, what are a few watts compared to the peace of mind and satisfaction of knowing you have a 'no compromise' system? 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

@Mace, I’ll be buying this computer from Chillblast - a UK company so my choice of GPU card is dictated by them.

I’ll discuss the choice of CPU with them to make sure I get the most suitable for my needs.

[MarkW 1,491]

18 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Not too late! 😁 I haven’t ordered it yet as I’ve been waiting for FS Labs to release 64- but Concorde. But the silence is deafening. ☹️ 4 years ago I was on the fence with the 2080Ti but the extra 500GBP was hard to justify. This time I’m just going for the. fastest GPU with no reservations.

 

Ray, when you are going to be flying the fastest plane, you need to match it with the fastest CPU and GPU.  Hope you get to fly it soon!

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

6 hours ago, MarkW said:

Ray, when you are going to be flying the fastest plane, you need to match it with the fastest CPU and GPU.  Hope you get to fly it soon!

Thanks Mark. All Quiet On The FSL Front. So who knows when I’ll be flying it.