7 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Well it was fine before the update and broken after it. Given that PMDG did not release an update in the same time and I am using the same aircraft version that was working just fine before the AAU1 update I would say that the update borked something up. Absolutely nothing else changed in my config. I flew a flight. Updated the sim. Got in the plane again and it was comically not the same.

Did you read what i write ?

I do not see it was other than that you mentioned all the time since, i see this happens at all or most flights; you have to brake much down to only have some knots otherways she fears over the front wheel, at last i saw this often like this, maybe it is normal this way but i dont realy know..

cheers 😉

This summarizes the problem described in PMDG forum:

 

There are a few considerations to be taken into account here.

Fenix A320 has a specific module outside the MSFS logic. That's the reasoning for the correct functionality regarding the tiller operation.
For some people is difficult to observe or refuse to accept that a few months back ASOBO did something with their coding that is affecting all airplanes taxing behavior. To be more to the subject there is no differential between the tiller and rudder in functionality.
As it was very well spotted by Fiorentoni at above 7 KTS GS the turn radius starts to widen reducing tiller input.
This easily can be noted in any airplane with a tiller if you zoom out while in the cockpit and look closely at the tiller animation and outside view, it can be observed the widening of the turn radius while the tiller is returning slowly to the center without any pilot input.
Functionality system-wise, at any speed, while on the ground tiller should move left/right to the full deflection regardless of the GS, I'm not talking about aircraft reaction, that's another topic to be discussed if the case.
ASOBO wrongly designed this feature.
For the PMDG to overcome this issue I can see two options, an outside interface module to bypass this problem, explaining to ASOBO the correct functionality, and most important to help with this issue to complain directly to MSFS/ASOBO.
Absolutely it can be achieved as noted with the Fenix A320, but, the main issue here is just the wrong implementation coming from MSFS/ASOBO.

24 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Can you check something for me? I just found out that this "skidding" only happens when I deflect the tiller too much (like max deflection), you can literally see the NWS skid along like on ice. When I deflect less I can get fine through tight turns, even at 15 kts. The AAU1 might have added some "skidding" friction mechanic which is being used by the latest PMDG update, this would explain why I didn't see this behaviour before installing AAU1.

No, I'm not talking about that. It always did this and I would expect it to in reality too at unreasonable speeds. I'm not talking about that. Mine is not making turns even at 3 with modest deflection. It's broke😆. I have never seen anything quite like it. Well, I have one recollection of some aircraft in FSX I tried that has similarly laughable steering characteristics but never anything from PMDG.

For me something has gotten messed up during that update.

I sense a reinstall of the plane coming.

 

3 minutes ago, Jazz said:

No, I'm not talking about that. It always did this and I would expect it to in reality too at unreasonable speeds. I'm not talking about that. Mine is not making turns even at 3 with modest deflection. It's broke😆. I have never seen anything quite like it. Well, I have one recollection of some aircraft in FSX I tried that has similarly laughable steering characteristics but never anything from PMDG.

For me something has gotten messed up during that update.

I sense a reinstall of the plane coming.

 

Before you do that try toggling "rudder + tiller" off and on in the FMC options and see if that helps.

57 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Were you always having this trouble with it? Or just since the latest MSFS update 2 days ago? How long have you had the aircraft?

I've always had the same problem with it. Its been a little better since the latest update from PMDG but its still not perfect. I picked up the 800 about 3 months ago.

3 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Before you do that try toggling "rudder + tiller" off and on in the FMC options and see if that helps.

Coincidentally that is literally what I had resolved to try whilst making a cup of tea earlier. When I have a chance I will do exactly that. Although, considering that I am getting full deflection with the tiller in the animation of the nose wheel I'm not all that confident it will work. Still, stranger things I have seen happen.

"great minds think alike"....as they say. We may have just proven at least 3/4's of that correct, anyway😆

10 minutes ago, james42 said:

I've always had the same problem with it. Its been a little better since the latest update from PMDG but its still not perfect. I picked up the 800 about 3 months ago.

Then we are not talking about the same thing.

24 minutes ago, LRBS said:

This summarizes the problem described in PMDG forum:

 

There are a few considerations to be taken into account here.

Fenix A320 has a specific module outside the MSFS logic. That's the reasoning for the correct functionality regarding the tiller operation.
For some people is difficult to observe or refuse to accept that a few months back ASOBO did something with their coding that is affecting all airplanes taxing behavior. To be more to the subject there is no differential between the tiller and rudder in functionality.
As it was very well spotted by Fiorentoni at above 7 KTS GS the turn radius starts to widen reducing tiller input.
This easily can be noted in any airplane with a tiller if you zoom out while in the cockpit and look closely at the tiller animation and outside view, it can be observed the widening of the turn radius while the tiller is returning slowly to the center without any pilot input.
Functionality system-wise, at any speed, while on the ground tiller should move left/right to the full deflection regardless of the GS, I'm not talking about aircraft reaction, that's another topic to be discussed if the case.
ASOBO wrongly designed this feature.
For the PMDG to overcome this issue I can see two options, an outside interface module to bypass this problem, explaining to ASOBO the correct functionality, and most important to help with this issue to complain directly to MSFS/ASOBO.
Absolutely it can be achieved as noted with the Fenix A320, but, the main issue here is just the wrong implementation coming from MSFS/ASOBO.

Honestly, this is referring to what we already knew relating to the problems that existed with it before. Although obviously not perfect the steering was perfectly serviceable. I am not talking about the nuances of the steering that people have been bickering about for ages. I'm refering to almost no steering that is clearly broken that has occured for me after installing the latest MSFS update. It's not the same thing.

It's looking likley that this is a problem that I am experiencing and no one else so something has gone wrong somewhere. I have a couple of things in my mind to try before I stop wasting time trying to find the bug and just reinstall the aircraft.

 

Well, the plot thickens.

Just fired it up to try one or two things before I cut my losses and reinstalled the plane and now it's working exactly as before. It now turns as though there is a couple of wheels with rubber attached to the aircraft rather than as though it has had a broken old sledge tied in their place. Absolutely bizarre. Nothing has changed between then and now and it's back to the slightly iffy but functional steering we are all used to and seem to like to debate so much.

Yesterday was an odd day with this aircraft. I had some strange issues with it. Firstly, this comedy steering. Or lack of steering. Then at some point which coincided with some sim connectivity issues the switches in the cockpit stopped working shortly followed by the VC vanishing entirely only to be replaced with some sort of dreadfully low resolution pictures of one. Looked like something you might have seen inside the cockpit of a toy die-cast model of a 737 but with even lower resolution 😆 After a minute the VC came back and the switches started to work. I had wondered if this was some sort of activation issue cause by a connectivity problem at the time.

Anyway, I did several system restarts and the steering problem never went away. Today, it's gone.

I honestly, don't know what to make of that. Anyway, as funny as the steering was it was so bad it really was unusable so I hope I never see it again.

No it's not broke.   It might be broke.

😄  Sorry, couldn't resist!

For me it has always been challenging to turn, and has always seemed to lack full deflection.  I've not seen any worsening of this after the last update.  I just plan around it, in terms of taxying.  It's definitely not laughable level for me.

4 minutes ago, JYW said:

No it's not broke.   It might be broke.

😆

It was definitely broke. No maybe about it. Plenty of maybes about the cause though 😉

5 minutes ago, JYW said:

For me it has always been challenging to turn, and has always seemed to lack full deflection.  I've not seen any worsening of this after the last update.  I just plan around it, in terms of taxying.  It's definitely not laughable level for me.

Honestly, I have never had a problem with steering it. Don't get me wrong, I can see it isn't 100% right and so can PMDG and peoples complaints about it are correct in some regards. There are situations where it doesn't feel connected to the ground in the way it should. However, it never caused me any problems getting about. It was perfectly functional in getting to and from a runway.

That said, what I was experiencing yesterday really was broken. It just wouldn't turn. It really was comical and anyone watching from the virtual terminal would have felt certain the pilot had either a broken aircraft or been at the duty free before departing which is why I was sniggering to myself when people kept chiming in as though I was referring to the same old complaints people always have about it and as though I was trying to do hairpin turns at 30 or something.

The damned thing just wouldn't turn. At any speed😆

2 minutes ago, Jazz said:

😆

The damned thing just wouldn't turn. At any speed😆

As they mentioned in the forum, the Fenix A320 is not experiencing any of that. 

 

Unfortunately, there are many issues regarding this platform, MSFS combined with PMDG programing language turns out to be an issue. 

 

At the same time, I'm not too keen on reinstalling over and over or adjusting stuff in the hope to fix something that is not working correctly while other developers managed to bypass a fault and don't require any other actions.

 

There is also this interesting statement regarding this issue:

 

This easily can be noted in any airplane with a tiller if you zoom out while in the cockpit and look closely at the tiller animation and outside view, it can be observed the widening of the turn radius while the tiller is returning slowly to the center without any pilot input.

 

A situation that can be clearly noticed.

4 hours ago, Jazz said:

Anyway, I did several system restarts and the steering problem never went away. Today, it's gone.

Glad it started working for you again.  Was this problem on the -800 the whole time?  I only have the -700 so that's all I could check.

18 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Glad it started working for you again.  Was this problem on the -800 the whole time?  I only have the -700 so that's all I could check.

Well, it was happening to me with the 800. I don't own the 700 but it seems to have been an odd phantom sort of issue that was there yesterday and gone today. Never had a steering issue like that before. Not with functioning controllers, anyway. Something funky occured. Coupled with the other weird things that happened with it yesterday it makes me wonder.

I just did a 5 hour session with it and I had no such nonsense today.

9 hours ago, Jazz said:

For me something has gotten messed up during that update.

NEXT update 07 FEB 2023

 

“…..This update series is largely focused on smoothing out some annoyances, bug fixes throughout the airplane and continued improvements in airplane handling. (eliminating notchiness with nearly-centered ground steering, for example!).”

 

 

Edited February 4, 20233 yr by polosim