17 hours ago, Drumcode said:

so they'll release all the variants and still no EFB. Disappointing to say the least. It can't be a rocket science. 

I think you mean rocket surgery!!   (Kidding that's always my line haha)

I won't be buying (still happy with the 737-700/BBJ) but I hope it sells well for them!

Edited February 4, 20233 yr by ryanbatc

2 hours ago, sidfadc said:

Yawn to you - if you bother to read WHY the EFB is taking longer compared to other aircraft you would understand.

I’ve read and I understand the message, just don’t know how accurate in light of other successes by other vendors so…yes.  Yawn.

Best to you,

-B

3 minutes ago, btacon said:

I’ve read and I understand the message, just don’t know how accurate in light of other successes by other vendors so…yes.  Yawn.

Best to you,

-B

So you didn't read why its different to other vendors....because you would understand and not ask "I dunno why PMDG can't do it and others can".

1 minute ago, sidfadc said:

So you didn't read why its different to other vendors....because you would understand and not ask "I dunno why PMDG can't do it and others can".

Perhaps the real question to ask is why PMDG has chosen such a path of great difficulty when others have delivered a similar outcome without such pain. And please don’t suggest “Features and Functions” because those remain a hidden secret. 

Perhaps there is more YOU should seek to understand?

Best to you,

-B

Still no EFB. Not planning on giving PMDG any more business until they delivered the scope they promised. 
 

More generally speaking: they need a decent project manager who understands how to deliver software in a more timely manner.

Lost a lot of respect for PMDG. One excuse after another, one lie after another.

Will take my wallet elsewhere.

2 hours ago, sidfadc said:

So you didn't read why its different to other vendors....because you would understand and not ask "I dunno why PMDG can't do it and others can".

Except for how PMDG isn’t the first to do WASM to JS communication. PMDG isn’t doing anything new here just the only one complaining about it.

Still don't care about EFB, and am really looking forward to the 900. Will fly the heck out of it for VA ops. Bring on the 777 next!

2 hours ago, kiwikat said:

Still don't care about EFB, and am really looking forward to the 900. Will fly the heck out of it for VA ops. Bring on the 777 next!

+1

I watch the angst and frustration of the EFB die-hards, and thank the lord I really don't care about one.  Every conceivable option and setting is available in the FMC's PMDG options, and FS options.  ....and yes, loading the Simbrief FP and WX is perfectly convenient.  Perhaps it's charts and Navigraph stuff that people ache for in the EFB.   Remember though (as I keep parroting) EFBs that do what the FBW and Fenix do are not realistic in real world airliner operations.  

"Dave?  It's John here, where are you?"

"John, I'm just in McDonalds picking up a burger".

"You got the EFB tablet there?"

"Yup"

"Do me a favour and send the flight plan, fuel and V speeds straight into this 737's closed-circuit FMC will you?"

"Err. it doesn't work like that John...."

Yeah if it didn't have comprehensive controls in the FMC it'd be one thing. I also use my second monitor for charts and perf info and others. Guess it'll be nice for others to have the option to use it if they want in the future. 🙃

14 minutes ago, JYW said:

+1

I watch the angst and frustration of the EFB die-hards, and thank the lord I really don't care about one.  Every conceivable option and setting is available in the FMC's PMDG options, and FS options.  ....and yes, loading the Simbrief FP and WX is perfectly convenient.  Perhaps it's charts and Navigraph stuff that people ache for in the EFB.   Remember though (as I keep parroting) EFBs that do what the FBW and Fenix do are not realistic in real world airliner operations.  

"Dave?  It's John here, where are you?"

"John, I'm just in McDonalds picking up a burger".

"You got the EFB tablet there?"

"Yup"

"Do me a favour and send the flight plan, fuel and V speeds straight into this 737's closed-circuit FMC will you?"

"Err. it doesn't work like that John...."

Err...have you used the Fenix EFB? Because, it doesn't work like that...

6 hours ago, jason74 said:

You can USE your credit towards any PMDG product

My bad. Thanks for the correction.

 

6 minutes ago, BWBriscoe said:

Err...have you used the Fenix EFB? Because, it doesn't work like that...

Yes, I have.   For quite a long time before you switched over to MSFS recently 😉

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't work like that".   I was referring to the fact that in the real world, you cannot send flight plans, weights, (fuel lol!) from an EFB into the aircraft's FMC.   All of those 'features' in the sim are simply sim convenience features, and are less realistic in terms of the real world, than the PMDG 737, where the only way to get a flight plan and other INIT data into the FMC is by entering it yourself, or pulling it from the airline ops via ATCO / AOC routes.  FMCs are closed-circuit systems.   There is no EFB tablet that can send a flight plan to an airliner's FMC.... andwhere in the world.

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by JYW

3 hours ago, JYW said:

Yes, I have.   For quite a long time before you switched over to MSFS recently 😉

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't work like that".   I was referring to the fact that in the real world, you cannot send flight plans, weights, (fuel lol!) from an EFB into the aircraft's FMC.   All of those 'features' in the sim are simply sim convenience features, and are less realistic in terms of the real world, than the PMDG 737, where the only way to get a flight plan and other INIT data into the FMC is by entering it yourself, or pulling it from the airline ops via ATCO / AOC routes.  FMCs are closed-circuit systems.   There is no EFB tablet that can send a flight plan to an airliner's FMC.... andwhere in the world.

Not so fast. While it may not be SOP, it is most certainly where the industry is going and it only makes sense. 
 

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/connectivity/could-airliners-use-fms-cloud

6 hours ago, JYW said:

Yes, I have.   For quite a long time before you switched over to MSFS recently 😉

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't work like that".   I was referring to the fact that in the real world, you cannot send flight plans, weights, (fuel lol!) from an EFB into the aircraft's FMC.   All of those 'features' in the sim are simply sim convenience features, and are less realistic in terms of the real world, than the PMDG 737, where the only way to get a flight plan and other INIT data into the FMC is by entering it yourself, or pulling it from the airline ops via ATCO / AOC routes.  FMCs are closed-circuit systems.   There is no EFB tablet that can send a flight plan to an airliner's FMC.... andwhere in the world.

You're splitting hairs. In the real world, pilots don't download anything to anywhere. Pilots show up to the airplane and hit an uplink button on the FMC.

You don't send your flightplan to the Fenix via the EFB. You show up to the airplane and hit an uplink button on the FMC and it pulls it over "datalink", as it would IRL. What's the issue?