Replacement for FSpassengers

[chickster25]

Hi all,

I am looking for something similar to Fspassengers which I enjoyed with FS9, but for MSFS.

I currently use AirHauler2, which is a great program, but it does not cater for dealing with passenger numbers or inflight service etc..

Fspassengers had a simple financial model but it was also geared around your performance in the air.

I have looked at PACX but the updates appear limited and the reviews are a little mixed.

There is also 'A Pilots Life -v2' but this appears to be focussed around working for an airline and doing jobs, so the passengers bit is missing.

Any suggestions for a good program, as it would be good to be a pilot but also feel like I am looking after a plane load of passengers at the same time? 

[ParisHL]

Self Loading Cargo is another option, similar to PACX.

[SierraHotel BSc]

1 hour ago, chickster25 said:

Hi all,

I am looking for something similar to Fspassengers which I enjoyed with FS9, but for MSFS.

I currently use AirHauler2, which is a great program, but it does not cater for dealing with passenger numbers or inflight service etc..

Fspassengers had a simple financial model but it was also geared around your performance in the air.

I have looked at PACX but the updates appear limited and the reviews are a little mixed.

There is also 'A Pilots Life -v2' but this appears to be focussed around working for an airline and doing jobs, so the passengers bit is missing.

Any suggestions for a good program, as it would be good to be a pilot but also feel like I am looking after a plane load of passengers at the same time? 

This program will eventually be identical to FS Passengers, but also offers sooo much more:-

 

[DAD]

11 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

identical to FS Passengers

thanks for mentioning FSFO but googling their website I realized it is customized to some specific airplanes, namely PMDG737 and Fenix320. So I cannot use it for any plane I fly like also the FBW, CRJ or recently the Headwind. Rather reminds me to this other Co-pilot program I cannot remember where I bought separate editions for different planes in good old FSX (?) times. 

EDIT Link to FSFO https://flightsimfirstofficer.com/

Edited February 14, 2023 by DAD

[chickster25]

1 hour ago, SierraHotel said:

This program will eventually be identical to FS Passengers, but also offers sooo much more:-

 

Thanks for the info, but isn't this geared more towards checklists and cockpit flows?

[Noel]

3 hours ago, chickster25 said:

I have looked at PACX but the updates appear limited and the reviews are a little mixed

I use PACX and have for a while and it's good enough.  The voicing by the primary flight attendant is very plausible.  I tried AH2 but only until I found A Pilot's Life v2 which is ideal for me because I really like scoring all flights--the airline piece is secondary but I love its scoring criteria.  AH2 was really an airline management software and almost nothing for pilotage per se so was happy to say goodbye to it.

[chickster25]

Just now, Noel said:

I use PACX and have for a while and it's good enough.  The voicing by the primary flight attendant is very plausible.  I tried AH2 but only until I found A Pilot's Life v2 which is ideal for me because I really like scoring all flights--the airline piece is secondary but I love its scoring criteria.  AH2 was really an airline management software and almost nothing for pilotage per se so was happy to say goodbye to it.

Is it possible to combine AH2 with PACX to get the best of both worlds, (AH2 to set the routing, then PACX to run a passenger flight) or can they only be run exclusively of each other?

[Noel]

Actually I used PACX with AH2 so sure you can do that.  Unless you're really after managing an airline (and of course you may well be) be sure to get a close look at APLv2 which is very well thought thru and in active development.  I sought out AH2 to add some purpose to this, but again it's 99% airline company management and as it turned out I had no interest in that.  Here's a peak at APL's scoring criteria and it keeps me very focused on flying well to score well--it matters since there are no real consequences in a FS like there are on the RW for screwing up, so this is as close as it gets to keeping us honest:

 

[Cognita]

Noel, does APLv2 require you to complete tests to fly a particular aircraft? If so, is it mandatory? I have looked at a few programs like this over the years but I can not bring myself to need to go through a silly virtual test, I just want to fly the aircraft I know how to fly. I looked a little at APLv2 but could not see from their site if this is a built-in requirement. 

[environmental_ice]

4 hours ago, ParisHL said:

Self Loading Cargo is another option, similar to PACX.

Oh brother. Can we as a community STOP promoting Self Loading Cargo? The guy is a fraud and is disrespecting the hobby to the fullest. He has been saying V1.6 is almost done for almost 3 years now. If you email him he will keep saying the same thing (right around the corner, 99% done) Discord on read only, youtube comments blocked. 

He isnt working on it anymore and the product doesnt do anything it says it does (Emergencies, dynamic integrations with crew, disruptive passengers or other onboard issues) All he is doing is trying to keep the website up and make passive income. There is no early access. This is what the product is and its reached the end of development (which is a complete trainwreck btw) and if he would just come out and say that people would stop dragging him under the bus. 

 

 

We dont have an ideal replacement for FSPassengers. PACX initially seemed like it would bridge that gap but fell short. Right now they are working on new voicesets so I guess if you care about that......

Edited February 14, 2023 by environmental_ice

[environmental_ice]

48 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Noel, does APLv2 require you to complete tests to fly a particular aircraft? If so, is it mandatory? I have looked at a few programs like this over the years but I can not bring myself to need to go through a silly virtual test, I just want to fly the aircraft I know how to fly. I looked a little at APLv2 but could not see from their site if this is a built-in requirement. 

APL doesnt require any test. There are licenses you have to buy with your virtual income to get airlines interested in hiring you and to be able to get schedules from them. For example if you only have a A330 license you may possibly get hired at Southwest but not very likely and even if you did you wouldn't be able to generate a schedule since you aren't rated in any of the planes they fly (737). You would have a higher chance at getting hired at Delta or Hawaiian since they fly that aircraft but still not very likely from the start as those airlines are 4 and 5 star rated. You have to earn enough XP/experience to get those airlines to offer you a job or accept a manual application. There is some luck built into it. I got hired at jetblue (4 star airlines) with no flights logged at all. Also as Noel mentioned the app scores how you fly so if you fly crazy get a bad rating it will take longer to aquire XP which will generally force you to take longer to get accepted in airline you eventually want to work for. Also the app really doesnt care what plane you have loaded in the sim. You can work for Skywest and fly all your flights in the Fenix A320 if you wanted. A little unrealistic but understandable as I dont own the CRJ or E175 myself in MSFS. I only fly the Fenix and PMDG

 

Overall its not a bad product. I do wish the dev would fix how the schedules are built. almost none of the flights are connected schedule wise. You arent forced to adhere to the schedule but for those that want to, just keep in mind you will land and have to change the time of day again most likely to be on schedule again for your next flight. 

[chickster25]

Thanks for the input so far. Personally I don’t think that APL is the right product for me.

I am still a trainee pilot with limited time, so I like to have a certain amount of control over flights & distances, plus I would probably fail a number of the tests.
 

AH2 isn’t quite so fussy as long as you can get the aircraft onto the ground safely. APL seems like it’s for the more experienced flyer.

So I am looking at PACX or FSFO so far. Although FSFO looks very good, I’m not keen on having to buy different versions for each aircraft I want to use it with.

[environmental_ice]

9 minutes ago, chickster25 said:

Thanks for the input so far. Personally I don’t think that APL is the right product for me.

I am still a trainee pilot with limited time, so I like to have a certain amount of control over flights & distances, plus I would probably fail a number of the tests.
 

AH2 isn’t quite so fussy as long as you can get the aircraft onto the ground safely. APL seems like it’s for the more experienced flyer.

So I am looking at PACX or FSFO so far. Although FSFO looks very good, I’m not keen on having to buy different versions for each aircraft I want to use it with.

You can just regenerate a schedule in APL if you dont like it. There are skips you are awarded and you can purchase more with the virtual money you make flying for your airline. Once again There are no test in APL. All it does is monitor the flight and As long as you aren't stalling the plane, overspeeding, breaking the 250 knot restriction under 10K feet then its really no different than how you are already flying in AH2. Its not checking to see if you flew a SID/STAR correctly or if you landed on the wrong runway....

[Noel]

28 minutes ago, chickster25 said:

I am still a trainee pilot with limited time, so I like to have a certain amount of control over flights & distances, plus I would probably fail a number of the tests.

I choose only Short and Medium length random flights which range in distance from 140nm to maybe 1200nm and you can do all Short as desired and then stay between 140 and 500 or so max.  As you accrue hours time you ultimately get to a point where you have a huge degree of freedom in where you fly.  I started w/ Endeavor, flew for a few weeks then went to United if I recall for 3 weeks or so.  Then Southwest.  Then Swiss Air, then Air France, then Lufthansa and currently enjoying the heck out of Japan Airlines.  I spend time in Wiki reviewing the towns I will be in on my routes learning about the history of Japan and so forth.  I even run Spotify and am playing traditional Japanese music while in that boring midflight in well automated airliners w/ faillures diabled (😉)  As I acquired lots of money this allows me to fly any route anywhere any time in any of my 4 licensed plane types.   And fortunately a license for one variant is good for all in that airframe class.   Actually, it's a great training tool for newer users perhaps like yourself so you can learn better habits.  And the reality is there is no punishment for low scores anyway. 

Best Wishes you find what works ;o)

[rjack1282]

I was having a rough time trying to decide which real-world routes to fly and APL basically solved that issue for me.  You can choose short, medium, long haul, to fly out and back to specific company airport hubs, or to do continuation flights airport to airport.  The only reason to purchase a license is to get the ability to schedule flights with that specific aircraft type.  For example, if you purchase A320 series license, and it's your only license, you wouldn't be able to create a schedule at Southwest.  But if you also had a 737 series license you could create the schedule and then fly it all with an A320.  The program doesn't care which aircraft type you fly for your chosen schedule.  If at Delta, you wouldn't be able to schedule their A330 flights but you could schedule their 737, A320, A321 flights and fly it with the A330 if you wanted.

I have almost 1,000 hours logged in APL if you have any other questions about it.