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I have added the RNAV waypoints to an LNM flight plan. When I export the flight plan to Xplane .fms file those added waypoints are not exported. Is there a way to do this? It would be useful because I have to manually insert the waypoint names along with their altitudes.

-tia

Bill Bennett

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albar965    1,041

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Hi Bill,

LNM exports all waypoints from the database with names to FMS files.
User waypoints (green rectangle in LNM) are exported with name and coordinates.

Do you have an example of what's not working?

Alex

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Hi Alex thanks for prompt response. You have a very powerful program here and as a former programmer I really appreciate it.

Editing approach into NZQN. I added  RNAV waypoints and LNM  added the altitudes. When I export a an Xplane12 .fms file Ionly get NZWN-NZQN.fms but no added waypoints.

It has something to do with those added waypoints being reflected in the .Inmpln file 

I do have a good LNM screenshot but I don'd know how to add it.

NZWN-NZQN.fms

I
1100 Version
CYCLE 2302
ADEP NZWN
ADES NZQN
DESRWY RW23
APP R23-Y
NUMENR 9
1 NZWN ADEP 41.000000 -41.327221 174.805283
11 SABDA DRCT 14300.004883 -41.793560 174.475601
11 MESIX Y622 24000.000000 -43.109371 173.250519
3 CH H159 24000.000000 -43.504112 172.514633
11 GUPUT Y266 24000.000000 -43.836464 171.718338
11 SUNAR Y266 24000.000000 -43.966999 171.411728
11 UPNIX Y266 24000.000000 -44.242954 170.752396
11 ELRUV Y266 18112.654297 -44.617188 169.832611
1 NZQN ADES 1166.000000 -45.021236 168.739243

 

IFR Wellington Intl (NZWN) to Queenstown (NZQN).lnmpln

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<LittleNavmap xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="https://www.littlenavmap.org/schema/lnmpln.xsd">
  <Flightplan>
    <Header>
      <FlightplanType>IFR</FlightplanType>
      <CruisingAlt>24000</CruisingAlt>
      <CreationDate>2023-03-10T21:54:07-05:00</CreationDate>
      <FileVersion>1.1</FileVersion>
      <ProgramName>Little Navmap</ProgramName>
      <ProgramVersion>2.8.8</ProgramVersion>
      <Documentation>https://www.littlenavmap.org/lnmpln.html</Documentation>
    </Header>
    <SimData Cycle="2212">XP12</SimData>
    <NavData Cycle="2302">NAVIGRAPH</NavData>
    <AircraftPerformance>
      <FilePath>A20N.lnmperf</FilePath>
      <Type>A20N</Type>
      <Name>FlyByWire A32NX</Name>
    </AircraftPerformance>
    <Procedures>
      <Approach>
        <Name>LARAV</Name>
        <ARINC>R23-Y</ARINC>
        <Runway>23</Runway>
        <Type>RNAV</Type>
        <Suffix>Y</Suffix>
      </Approach>
    </Procedures>
    <Waypoints>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Wellington Intl</Name>
        <Ident>NZWN</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="174.805283" Lat="-41.327221" Alt="41.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>SABDA</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="174.475601" Lat="-41.793560" Alt="14300.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>MESIX</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y622</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="173.250519" Lat="-43.109371" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Christchurch</Name>
        <Ident>CH</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>H159</Airway>
        <Type>VOR</Type>
        <Pos Lon="172.514633" Lat="-43.504112" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>GUPUT</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y266</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="171.718338" Lat="-43.836464" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>SUNAR</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y266</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="171.411728" Lat="-43.966999" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>UPNIX</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y266</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="170.752396" Lat="-44.242954" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>ELRUV</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y266</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="169.832611" Lat="-44.617188" Alt="18316.41"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>ATKIL</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="169.243637" Lat="-44.830662" Alt="10092.57"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Queenstown</Name>
        <Ident>NZQN</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="168.739243" Lat="-45.021236" Alt="1166.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
    </Waypoints>
  </Flightplan>
</LittleNavmap>

 

Bill

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Gason71    128

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To your flight plan I've added 3 example extra RNAV points WP1-WP3.
FPL in lnmpln format looks like:

  

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<LittleNavmap xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="https://www.littlenavmap.org/schema/lnmpln.xsd">
  <Flightplan>
    <Header>
      <FlightplanType>IFR</FlightplanType>
      <CruisingAlt>24000</CruisingAlt>
      <CreationDate>2023-03-11T18:49:58+01:00</CreationDate>
      <FileVersion>1.1</FileVersion>
      <ProgramName>Little Navmap</ProgramName>
      <ProgramVersion>2.8.9</ProgramVersion>
      <Documentation>https://www.littlenavmap.org/lnmpln.html</Documentation>
    </Header>
    <SimData Cycle="2302">XP11</SimData>
    <NavData Cycle="2302">NAVIGRAPH</NavData>
    <AircraftPerformance>
      <FilePath>FA7X.lnmperf</FilePath>
      <Type>FA7X</Type>
    </AircraftPerformance>
    <Procedures>
      <Approach>
        <Name>LARAV</Name>
        <ARINC>R23-Y</ARINC>
        <Runway>23</Runway>
        <Type>RNAV</Type>
        <Suffix>Y</Suffix>
      </Approach>
    </Procedures>
    <Waypoints>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Wellington Intl</Name>
        <Ident>NZWN</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="174.805283" Lat="-41.327221" Alt="41.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>SABDA</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="174.475601" Lat="-41.793560" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>WP1</Ident>
        <Type>USER</Type>
        <Pos Lon="173.639023" Lat="-42.248852" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>MESIX</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="173.250519" Lat="-43.109371" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Christchurch</Name>
        <Ident>CH</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>H159</Airway>
        <Type>VOR</Type>
        <Pos Lon="172.514633" Lat="-43.504112" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>WP2</Ident>
        <Type>USER</Type>
        <Pos Lon="172.353622" Lat="-43.687737" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>GUPUT</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="171.718338" Lat="-43.836464" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>SUNAR</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y266</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="171.411728" Lat="-43.966999" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>UPNIX</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Airway>Y266</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="170.752396" Lat="-44.242954" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>WP3</Ident>
        <Type>USER</Type>
        <Pos Lon="170.409042" Lat="-44.520012" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>ELRUV</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="169.832611" Lat="-44.617188" Alt="24000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>ATKIL</Ident>
        <Region>NZ</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="169.243637" Lat="-44.830662" Alt="20149.85"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Queenstown</Name>
        <Ident>NZQN</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="168.739243" Lat="-45.021236" Alt="1167.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
    </Waypoints>
  </Flightplan>

 

And for above I got the following FMS file for XP11/XP12 export:

  

I
1100 Version
CYCLE 2302
ADEP NZWN
ADES NZQN
DESRWY RW23
APP R23-Y
NUMENR 13
1 NZWN ADEP 41.000000 -41.327221 174.805283
11 SABDA DRCT 24000.000000 -41.793560 174.475601
28 WP1 DRCT 24000.000000 -42.248852 173.639023
11 MESIX DRCT 24000.000000 -43.109371 173.250519
3 CH H159 24000.000000 -43.504112 172.514633
28 WP2 DRCT 24000.000000 -43.687737 172.353622
11 GUPUT DRCT 24000.000000 -43.836464 171.718338
11 SUNAR Y266 24000.000000 -43.966999 171.411728
11 UPNIX Y266 24000.000000 -44.242954 170.752396
28 WP3 DRCT 24000.000000 -44.520012 170.409042
11 ELRUV DRCT 24000.000000 -44.617188 169.832611
11 ATKIL DRCT 20149.847656 -44.830662 169.243637
1 NZQN ADES 1167.000000 -45.021236 168.739243

As you can see everything works fine 🙂

The only thing I guess is that  you try to add some RNAV points to/after STAR or Approach or to/before SID, and then of course it's impossible as it isn't written in FMS file.
To get this you have to switch on "Export waypoints for Approaches" and "Export waypoints for Star" and then all STAR and approach points will be written in FMS file and it will be possible reload fms file as the set of points and add new RNAV to the STAR or Approach.
I hope I've understood your problem in correct way.

Regards,
Piotr
 

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Thank you Piotr - I had Export waypoints checked but not Approaches. Checking both fixed the problem.

Bill

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albar965    1,041

albar965
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3 hours ago, Billyjb said:

Editing approach into NZQN. I added  RNAV waypoints and LNM  added the altitudes. When I export a an Xplane12 .fms file Ionly get NZWN-NZQN.fms but no added waypoints.

You added a procedure and this is noted in the export file: 

ADES NZQN
DESRWY RW23
APP R23-Y

Sorry, but somehow I don't unterstand the problem. The waypoints of procedures are not exported. This is absolutely correct. The FMS file looks alright.

 

26 minutes ago, Billyjb said:

I had Export waypoints checked but not Approaches. Checking both fixed the problem.

This is certainly not what you want. Not for X-Plane anyway. X-Plane FMS can load and procedures and additional waypoints are not needed. This option is merely for archaic simulators which can not digest any kind of procedure like FSX. From the LNM manual:

Quote

Note that saving flight plans with one or more of these methods has limitations:

  • Several approach leg types like holds, turns and procedure turns cannot be displayed properly by using just waypoints or coordinates.

  • Speed and altitude limitations are not included in the exported legs.

Alex

Little Navmap
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