Ask ChatGPT for a Flight Plan

[odourboy 1,259]

Try it for a medical diagnosis with some offbeat symptoms. It's remarkable. Get it to write a legal agreement. Lawyers will not know what hit them!

[Stearmandriver 1,886]

1 hour ago, WestAir said:

I doubt anyone here will tell me there will be airline pilots in the Flight Deck in March of 2123.

I would 100% take that bet if either of us were gonna be around to collect.

Are there certain segments pushing for it? Yes.  It requires a defense, but less to save our jobs than to save lives.  The folks pushing for it have absolutely no concept of the human factors involved in having two trained and experienced humans working a problem together.  We aren't even close to having AI that can replicate this.

Will we have TRUE AI in 100 years?  Many analysts think not.

It would not surprise me if it's tried somewhere in the world.  The passengers and their loved ones have my sympathies, but I'll absolutely be willing to pounce on the trend data they're going to build.

Do I see pilots gone from U.S. legacy airline passenger flight decks in 100 years?  Nope.  

UNLESS there are massive strides made in actual AI.  Right now, the industry doesn't even have the building blocks of that.

[WestAir 2,438]

15 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Do I see pilots gone from U.S. legacy airline passenger flight decks in 100 years?  Nope.  

100 years is a long, long time. For reference 100 years ago GPS, Jet Engines, color TV, computers, nuclear power... all just sci fi.

Though I think we both know by nature of speculation I can't prove you wrong, but I do hope you're right.

[sd_flyer 5,748]

 

[turbomax 2,902]

7 hours ago, David Mills said:

ChatGPT is also very good at figuring out what you want even if you express your request poorly.

what does it think is the best Flight Simulator? 😊

[Ricardo41 5,739]

32 minutes ago, turbomax said:

what does it think is the best Flight Simulator? 😊

As of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, the two most popular and highly regarded flight simulators for PC were Microsoft Flight Simulator and X-Plane.

Microsoft Flight Simulator is developed by Microsoft and features stunning graphics and realistic physics simulation. It includes a vast world map and allows users to fly all sorts of aircraft, from small prop planes to commercial airliners. It also features real-time weather and traffic, which can add to the realism of the experience.

X-Plane is developed by Laminar Research and is known for its high accuracy physics engine, allowing for extremely realistic flight simulations. It also has a large community of third-party developers who create add-ons and plugins for the simulator, providing users with an even greater level of customization.

Both simulators have their own unique strengths and weaknesses, and the best one for you will depend on your specific needs and preferences.

[fluffyflops 1,749]

can you ask it whos going to present match of the day next saturday.  thanks

[Virtual-Chris 682]

I don't need ChatGPT, my wife knows everything! 😛

[hhbrbg 127]

@sd_flyer Arthur C Clark’s predictions about the future that machines „will completely outthink their makers“, is imho not far fetched. Remarkable foresight! 

About 30 years ago, on holidays in Florida, I bought the book „The Harper Encyclopedia of Military History“. The book covers the period from 3.500 BC to 1975. Man, it‘s a heavy (2,7 kg) book and written in very small letters on 1.600 pages.

When these machines really start to think, what will they think about us when they read those kind of books? The moment the machines recognize who we really are, creating a flightplan to another planet would be a very good idea. But please don‘t use  a computer for it!😂

[Stearmandriver 1,886]

3 hours ago, WestAir said:

100 years is a long, long time. For reference 100 years ago GPS, Jet Engines, color TV, computers, nuclear power... all just sci fi.

I agree with that..  but when most of these things were sci Fi, there was at least some evidence to indicate they'd be possible at some point.

We're still waiting on that, when it comes to actual AI.  Sure, it could happen... But it's like saying that when Back to the Future came out in 1985, that in 30 years things like flying cars and hoverboards seemed entirely reasonable.  It SOUNDS good... But there's just no evidence that we're even moving in that direction.

[Fiorentoni 3,352]

9 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

This thing isn't actually intelligent.  It cannot learn, it cannot "figure something out" if it was never programed to do the thing etc.  It's not intelligence.  It's just a search engine that is pretty good at regurgitating information in plain language.

What? It can do all those things and much faster and much more comprehensive than any human being. It learns from any interaction with you and it can figure out things it was never programmed to do by referencing things it knows, trial-and-error and simply asking you for an explanation. That's basically exactly how a human being would learn new unknown things. Let me put it in other words: If ChatGPT had feet, it would be able to learn to ride a bike without ever being coded to.
Now if that is all that is needed for "intelligence" is a question of definition, but anyway what you said it couldn't do, is just plain wrong.

[WestAir 2,438]

15 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

I agree with that..  but when most of these things were sci Fi, there was at least some evidence to indicate they'd be possible at some point.

We're still waiting on that, when it comes to actual AI.  Sure, it could happen... But it's like saying that when Back to the Future came out in 1985, that in 30 years things like flying cars and hoverboards seemed entirely reasonable.  It SOUNDS good... But there's just no evidence that we're even moving in that direction.

True. I just don't agree that the Industry will wait for he singularity before turning over the flight controls to Otto.

I can buy a Cirrus today that will land at the nearest suitable field at the push of a button. It does radio calls and everything. 

There are A350's with auto taxi and auto TCAS. There are pilotless drones and rocket ships and Ocean-crossing vessels with no humans in control, all insured and rigorously tested. The leap to the flight deck is a big one. I've done the job. There's a lot that has to be done, but not 10 decades worth.

Once a manufacturer can get the mean time between failure into a realm where the finances work, and a backup system to cover, and lawmakers and lawyers and insurance companies paid enough money to nod their heads, I think you'll find the public less fickle about boarding than you think, especially after the big spectacular maiden flights are done with and they've been flying for months with no hiccups.

But I've been wrong before. 

[Stearmandriver 1,886]

10 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

What? It can do all those things and much faster and much more comprehensive than any human being. It learns from any interaction with you and it can figure out things it was never programmed to do by referencing things it knows, trial-and-error and simply asking you for an explanation. That's basically exactly how a human being would learn new unknown things. Let me put it in other words: If ChatGPT had feet, it would be able to learn to ride a bike without ever being coded to.
Now if that is all that is needed for "intelligence" is a question of definition, but anyway what you said it couldn't do, is just plain wrong.

No.  It can't.  If it could, then why is it that when you ask it for something outside its realm of programing, and it can't find anything online to reference, it apologizes to you and tells you it hasn't been taught to do that?

The concern isn't its ability to perform mundane tasks, but to be able to figure its way through something it was never programed to handle - the kinds of things humans are able to do. 

It simply cannot do these things.  All it can do is reference its programming.  That's where it differs from humans, and that's why it's not AI - at least, not as we used to use the term, referencing actual intelligence.  It is, as said earlier, simply an algorithm.  When it has no programming or search results to reference, it's lost, right?

[Fiorentoni 3,352]

18 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

No.  It can't.  If it could, then why is it that when you ask it for something outside its realm of programing, and it can't find anything online to reference, it apologizes to you and tells you it hasn't been taught to do that?

 

Because it doesn't? Ever? You couldn't be any more wrong, like it doesn't even use online references because it has no access to the internet. No offense but you clearly never used ChatGPT.

Apart from that: Please tell me what topic you could possibly ask that has no references in the internet. Have you been in the internet lately? 😄

[Stearmandriver 1,886]

4 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Because it doesn't? Ever? You couldn't be any more wrong, like it doesn't even use online references because it has no access to the internet. No offense but you clearly never used ChatGPT.

Apart from that: Please tell me what topic you could possibly ask that has no references in the internet. Have you been in the internet lately? 😄

Huh?  There are plenty of things that humans have considered impossible... Until they happened.  There are clearly no references on the Internet as to how these things would be handled, as there is no training that exists for humans to handle them.

Examples in aviation include how to get a DC-10 back to an airport after all flight controls are lost due to a triple hydraulic failure... Or how to fly and and land a jet after all three independent airspeed indication systems simultaneously suffer the identical failure mode so they all 3 agree with each other, but are incorrect.  

Those are just a couple examples.  You can certainly find explanations online NOW for how to handle them, because they've now been done.  But prior to their occurrences, you certainly would not have.

How many more "never thought of that" or "that could never happen" occurrences are out there?  Well, roughly an unlimited number.  We know for a fact that nothing we call AI today could come up with an out of the box solution to something it was never trained for, or something it was told was impossible... Things humans can (and in my examples) did do.

All that's on the Internet is what humans have already thought of.  All situations a computer has been programmed to handle is what humans have anticipated, and therefore developed a procedure for.

I mean, we aren't talking about opinions here.  That's just how it is.