Altitudes in approach procedure

[danielerou 1]

A question about  approaching and landing an airport.

I correctly receive the clearance to start the descent and the approach procedure, which I execute perfectly. From this moment P2ATC no longer gives me altitude indications, for example: descend to FL100 or other altitudes.

Is it normal not to have these indications? Is it perhaps sufficient to follow the procedure precisely? Thank you.

[vadriver 247]

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[G550flyer 1,007]

4 hours ago, danielerou said:

A question about  approaching and landing an airport.

I correctly receive the clearance to start the descent and the approach procedure, which I execute perfectly. From this moment P2ATC no longer gives me altitude indications, for example: descend to FL100 or other altitudes.

Is it normal not to have these indications? Is it perhaps sufficient to follow the procedure precisely? Thank you.

That's it. Once you are cleared the approach, ATC is expecting you to adhere to the procedure while they focuses on the flow. They know what you should be doing and will plan based on it. Departures are the same way unless they vector you off of the departure. If they clear you to 10,000, you still have to stop at 3000 if it's in the departure to hold you down for that section for what ever reason. Arrivals are different. They may clear you for a STAR and still give you altitudes along the way. If they say descend VIA the "_" arrival, they are expecting you to meet all the altitudes just as you would the approach.

[danielerou 1]

Thanks for explaining.

[Bob Scott 7,704]

3 hours ago, G550flyer said:

That's it. Once you are cleared the approach, ATC is expecting you to adhere to the procedure while they focuses on the flow. They know what you should be doing and will plan based on it. Departures are the same way unless they vector you off of the departure. If they clear you to 10,000, you still have to stop at 3000 if it's in the departure to hold you down for that section for what ever reason. Arrivals are different. They may clear you for a STAR and still give you altitudes along the way. If they say descend VIA the "_" arrival, they are expecting you to meet all the altitudes just as you would the approach.

No...if ATC issues an altitude clearance while on a SID, you climb unrestricted to that altitude and all of the SID altitude restrictions are considered cancelled.

From the AIM para 5-2-9(h)(8):  https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap5_section_2.html

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8. If prior to or after takeoff an altitude restriction is issued by ATC, all previously issued “ATC" altitude restrictions are canceled including those published on a SID. Pilots must still comply with all speed restrictions and lateral path requirements published on the SID unless canceled by ATC.

EXAMPLE-

Prior to takeoff or after departure ATC issues an altitude change clearance to an aircraft cleared to climb via a SID but ATC no longer requires compliance with published altitude restrictions:“Climb and maintain flight level two four zero.”

NOTE-

The published SID altitude restrictions are canceled; The aircraft should comply with the SID lateral path and begin an unrestricted climb to FL240. Compliance with published speed restrictions is still required unless specifically deleted by ATC.

[G550flyer 1,007]

1 hour ago, Bob Scott said:

No...if ATC issues an altitude clearance while on a SID, you climb unrestricted to that altitude and all of the SID altitude restrictions are considered cancelled.

Let me make this more clear. I am speaking of being CLEARED via the SID. Not a change to the SID.

[LRBS 942]

Bob's statement regarding the US is accurate, but it's important to note that there are differences in terminology and regulations when it comes to international flight operations in countries such as the UK, UAE, and China. A helpful resource for navigating these differences is the AIP. For instance, airlines often have specific guidelines for these countries, outlining differences in ATC communications and procedures. To ensure safety and prevent any mishaps, we receive documentation before each flight that serves as a reminder of these distinctions. I forgot to mention that this applies to both SID and STAR.

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by LRBS
SID x STAR