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We really need more study level long range business jets.

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Since a request has been put out for the A350 I thought I'd start a developer request as well.  We have the Longitude, we have the BBJ but it would be nice to have other options.  Long haul flights into lessor known small airfields is just as cool as bush flying into small fields.  Runways a little under 5,000ft can be a challenge for a larger jet but it happens all the time for some pilots. Extra flaps, speed considerations, lack of ILS approaches, etc is all on the table. Putting a jet down from Europe/Dubai into these smaller GA airfields slightly outside if cities on the other side of the world is satisfying to complete.  We have many short haul private jets like the HondaJet but we need the corporate long haulers. I thought we would have more options by now.  A few examples that would be nice to see are:

1. Bombardier Global Express

2. Gulfstream G600 (long shot to get company approval)

3. Dassault Falcon 7X 

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There is a better chance of me getting a date with Kylie Jenner than for any of these being released as study-level GA aircraft in my life time.

 

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Looking forward also to the Flysimware Learjet 35A! I asked on their forum, probably a Beta in the next few months.

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High-fidelity Bizjets will come....after the "tubeliners" epidemic is over 😜

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Of course I agree.  It's tough to do the custom avionics on all of these types.  I don't think we'll ever see one.  I'd love a falcon 8x or 2000S personally.  Aerobask is making an 8x for xp12.

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Yep, it'd be nice...the big bizjets provide the widest range of options, operating out of smallish fields with 5000 ft runways up to any major airport, and can realistically be operated on flights from 30 minutes to 14+ hours in duration (not that I'd want to go 14 hours in *any* plane simulation without a good skip-forward feature).

Honestly, though, in many years of r/w Gulfstream flying, the vast majority of flights were from 1-4 hours, and even the overwater flights (US-EU in my case) were rarely over 6 hours.  I only stretched the legs of the G-5 a few times, the longest being a mid-Atlantic crossing from DC to Accra, Ghana (10.7 hours, arriving with a 2-hour reserve).  So medium bizjets can answer most of the mail.

Implementing any kind of reasonable simulation of a Honeywell Primus glass panel for a G-5xx/6xx/7xx would be a Herculean undertaking and a most pleasant yet unexpected suprise.

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Definitely enjoying the quality of the Longitude, CJ4 & HJet at the moment, BBJ is nice, but it's too big for me !!- although for study level it's XP12 at the moment for the Challenger.

Unfortunately, the company talking about making more business jets is the one that I have the least confidence in making anything of quality (Cockspur).

 

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Or just bite the bullet, get XP, and the HotStart CL650.  Gazzareth has the right of it.

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51 minutes ago, Iadbound said:

Or just bite the bullet, get XP, and the HotStart CL650.  Gazzareth has the right of it.

Sorry, but the OP listed l.o.n.g - range bizjets capable of 6000NM or more. The CL650 can do what - 4000NM?


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The BBJ is certainly also in this group...range with 8 pax is ~6200nm, and the wingspans on the big Gulfstreams range between 93 - 103'...not a whole lot less than the BBJ's 117'. 

The big bizjets are all just that--big.  And they're heavy, too.  The Gulfstreams have very high pavement loading because of their high weight and the small footprint of their narrow, high-pressure tires, and you have to be careful where you're taxiing and parking them.  Having one jacked out of the asphalt is expensive and an embarassing thing to put on the resume you're about to be sending around...

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